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this post was submitted on 24 Nov 2023
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Nah.
Pretending things aren't completely fucked hasn't worked for the last 50 years, it's not going to start now.
Besides, I don't think there's ever been a case where someone starts a slap fight online, than makes a new post talking about how dumb an opinion is when the other person gives up explaining.
People that do that shit aren't usually the ones to be listening to about anything.
If someone says the climate is fucked and there's zero signs the people in power will do anything, they're not a "doomer" they're accepting reality. And it doesn't mean they've given up either. Just that they're not blind and mindless
This is the problem, though. This is hyperbole. "Zero signs?" Citation needed. It is not self-evident, and using your experiences as evidence is just confirmation bias.
And that was OP's point. You might see it as a forgone conclusion, but that's not necessarily objective reality.
Not zero,but so far below what is neededthat 'doomer' is a ridiculous characterisation of 'realist'. Anyone who thinks we're dealing with the problem is delusional.
You're confusing cynic with realist. The realists are the climate scientists, who have yet to say humanity is doomed.
Oh hanity will live on. We're a pretty adaptable species, but not as numerous or as comfortable.
Or, we could try our best to prevent it on the chance that billions of people don't have to die.
That's not how logic works...
I can say there's zero signs God exist, and a religious person will demand proof and start doing victory laps.
I can't prove that there's nothing they're doing, just like I can't prove Bigfoot isn't alive somewhere.
However, if you knew where bigfoot was, you could prove it.
So, if you think the people running governments are actually doing enough to stop the centuries long destruction of our environment, you could do that. But it's not happening, so it's not. At best you could point to future plans and claim that will be enough. But people have been doing that for decades and haven't been right once.
I mean, how would I even provide what you're asking for? It can't be as easy as pointing to all the records that show it hasn't started getting better yet...
Except there is evidence sort the chart by percentage.
In the US, we passed the IRA.
EV and e bikes are making rapid gains regarding phasing out ICE vehicles.
Go to the lawnmower (I know, lawns suck) section of a big box hardware store and notice the large selection of electric mowers and trimmers.
Rooftop solar has exploded in my neighborhood.
Content about car dependent design sucking has grown drastically in popularity the past few years.
I don't know what you think that chart proves, but it's not that climate change is slowing...
And you're completely ignoring all the pollution and fossil fuels that go into mining, refining, and transporting the rare earth minerals needed for batteries...
Like, you literally did the only thing I could be done, after I explained how that wouldn't be proof:
You don't know what you're talking about, but you're optimistic, I'll give you that.
Won't do you any good. But feel free to ignore reality while you sit back and claim everything is fine.
It proves that work is being done by showing how many places have transitioned almost entirely to renewables for power generation. You said show evidence that governments are doing something, I provided.
Things aren't fine, but succumbing to doomerism guarantees the worst case outcome. The more people continue to try, the less bad things get.
Welp, I tried...
Luckily there's one more strategy I know will work
https://theconversation.com/how-sodium-ion-batteries-could-make-electric-cars-cheaper-207342
It's a good thing the people trying to remove the problematic components from things like EVs don't listen to doomers like you.
This probably going to bring back bad memories from yesterday for you, but I'm sure I'm not the only person taking this option to avoid talking to you
Good. Keep your doomerism to yourself.