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this post was submitted on 25 Nov 2023
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I could explain. I just don’t see you as being worth the bother. Your uninformed followup that features exactly no useful rejoinders or any conception of political philosophy confirms I made the correct decision to treat you like a stooge.
I have engaged in no narratives, simply a correct understanding of the history and philosophy of the liberal movement.
I highly doubt you know enough about liberalism to even say what the philosophy cares about at its core.
I wish it surprised me that liberals don’t even know what liberalism is, but I’ve been involved in political debates for far too long.
More vague accusations with no evidence or theses behind them.
You are single-mindedly focused on exposing your own ignorance.
By all means, take another swing.
oh dear god
try not to hurt yourself thinking
literally none of this is controversial to anyone with any sort of understanding of political philosophy. but go off
As long as you can't put forth a coherent thesis or even a clear opinion, you aren't going to gain any ground.
Your rejoinder to the coherent thesis was "nuh uh" and "robot bad" so i think I'm just gonna point and laugh now, you dumb fuck.
Sounds about your speed: vague, easily diaprovsble claims, make up arguments for others because you can't defend your own incorrect opinions or counter theirs, and then retreat.
Okay then disprove them?
Jesus the amount of projection going on could power a small continent if properly captured.
Which one?
Self-hating bot? That's a new one. Lmao I just saw that you referenced the Whigs as liberals. You literally proved my point before this even started. Google Edmund Burke you absolute shit-stain.
Blocked.
"A new one" that you made up instead of accurately addressing my points.
And then you pretended I wrote something I didn't.
Scurry away.