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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

It's always the patriarchal conquerors like the Ancient Romans or the Ancient Greeks that they idolize and never the people like, say, the Picts or the Celts or the Gaul that rebelled against the brutal Roman empire. It's never the Scottish or the Irish heroes who fought back against the British Empire that followed in Rome's footsteps. None of them probably even know who Boudica is.

Ironically, a lot of the stuff you could call "white culture" was burnt at the stake, banned, brutalized, and literally demonized by the Empires that chuds think are so civilized. A lot of pagan culture was lost to time, or warped by Roman 'scholars' for propaganda purposes. If they truly cared about their 'culture', then "Muh Christian trad wife' would be seen as killing the identity of pagan women, rather than an aspiration.

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[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The Scottish and Irish that fought the British weren't pagans. Irish nationalism by the time of the empire was explicitly Catholic as were the Jacobites who were as much fighting Scottish leadership as English and weren't fighting for independence they wanted to be British with a Catholic king.

The Scottish didn't fight the British empire they were partners in it especially in the colonisation of Ireland.

[-] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

One of the big examples of this is that the Irish brough the Angles, Saxons, Jutes etc the Latin alphabet which they applied their languages to instead of Futharc runes. The Irish did this by spreading Christian texts and the bible. So to all those who imagine some pagan Irish past fighting British Christendom, remember, the Irish being Christian and spreading it is why we are writing english in THIS alphabet specifically.

[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

Also the idea of Christianity being colonial in its spread in Europe isn't really accurate. The English weren't conquered and forced to give up the old gods they gave them up willingly. Christianity was even a rallying cultural symbol against the slavery and conquest of the norsemen. The Romans at the time of their conversion were even the imperial power

I've even seen someone claim that the reason some norse folklore portrays nature as harsh and dangerous is Christian influence demonising their old gods and not the fact that of course they think nature is harsh they lived in Scandanavia. Nor is Christianity more anti-nature than paganism. Christianity and Abrahamic faiths do include explict language on stewardship of nature and the Romans under their old gods quite happily made Carthage into a desert and would as a tactic of occupation punish revolt by for example burning the heather and salting the earth

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