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Health experts say axing plan to block sales of tobacco products to next generation will cost thousands of lives

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[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

If we doubled the nicotine per cigarette, d'ya figure they'd all smoke half as many?

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 months ago

I doubt it. I think for most smokers, one cigarette does them for a while. I don't see anyone stopping at half a cigarette, so I'd guess it would only get smokers used to taking more nicotine in at a time.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

So this effect only works in one direction?

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 months ago

Like I said. Mainly because if someone lights up, they'll smoke the whole cigarette. Not half. But if they didn't get enough nicotine from one, instead of not smoking again for a couple hours, they may smoke again after just 45 minutes or so. Or even start chain smoking.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago
[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 months ago

Smoking more IS the adjustment. Take some nicotine away, they'll crave more nicotine.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

Or they'll adjust to how much is in what they're used to smoking. Their bodies will adjust. Because cravings are driven by exposure.

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 months ago

And they'll smoke more in order to get the exposure they're used to.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

A value immune to change in exactly one direction, apparently.

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 months ago

You don't really know how an addiction works, do you? Nevermind that being a question for you to answer. I suppose I already know you don't.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago

Do you know how quitting an addiction works? Ideally... you take less.

That's not a paradox or a gotcha. It's the only way people break the cycle. You understand that cycle can be deepened. You seem absolutely confident there's no other direction.

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 11 months ago

You seem to think the people having low nicotine cigarettes forced on them want to quit smoking.

And no. I'm not saying there is no other direction. Upping the age every year would work. Upping the prices would work, but is a ln asshole move for a government to make, banning cigarettes would work. Lowering nicotine in cigarettes is what wouldn't work. It's straight up something that would make the smoking related health issues of an entire country worse instead of better.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

We're not talking about what they want. An outright ban is an option, here. The goal is to make them smoke less. To make them less addicted. Lowering how much nicotine they get, without changing their habits, would probably help immensely.

Though half at once is the wrong curve. You'd want to drop by 10% a year. Enough to grumble about... not to double how many you smoke in a day.

"Upping the age every year" is an asshole move of the highest order: inequality. You'd tell some people, this is legal, but never for you. That is fundamentally the opposite of 'you must be 18' and it cannot be tolerated, even if the motivation is positive.

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