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[-] DroneRights@lemm.ee -3 points 1 year ago

So if I gave money to an assassin and told him to kill you, I wouldn't be responsible for his actions?

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

you're not responsible for his actions, you're responsible for yours.

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

this analogy doesn't hold up: the meat is on a shelf and everyone has been paid before I decide whether to buy it.

[-] DroneRights@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago

Okay, let's say there's a serial arsonist who's been burning down houses in your neighbourhood. Now he's on GoFundMe asking for money to buy more gasoline. I like burned down houses, so I give him money with the knowledge he will use it to burn down your house.

Do I share any responsibility for what happened to your house?

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

I still don't see how this is analogous: the meat industry doesn't depend on my purchases any more than it depends on yours.

look at this chart. can you see when you went vegan?

[-] DroneRights@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

Yes, it does depend on your purchases more than mine. You're making the mistake of conflating a very small number with zero.

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

animals are killed in increasing numbers year over year every year. being vegan doesn't stop that.

[-] DroneRights@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

And now you're conflating a very small number with a huge number

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

The only conflation that's happened in this thread is you conflating my responsibility with the responsibility of others.

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