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[-] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

The judge said that the goverment didn't have the power to keep him off a primary ballot, since that's not an election to an office. The actual election is up in the air

[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's not quite correct. The judge specifically concluded that the Section 3 clause of the 14th Amendment that would exclude someone from holding office after inciting an insurrection simply did not matter for the presidency. They were somehow convinced that the President is not an "officer of the United States", so Section 3 did not apply. I genuinely don't understand how they were convinced of that. But they basically concluded that a sitting or former Congressman, Judge or soldier who commits insurrection can never hold office again without Congressional pardon, but someone who has only held the office of President like Trump can commit insurrection and not face similar consequences. Like that makes any sense.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 4 points 1 year ago

It may not matter for the presidency, but it absolutely matters for the Electoral College. Read the 14th amendment again: even if it doesn't apply to the president himself, it explicitly applies to the electors of the president.

Trump was declared an insurrectionist. If an electoral vote for Trump can be considered giving him "aid or comfort", any elector intending to vote for him is unqualified to serve as an elector.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

You're missing up the cases, the one in Minnesota is the one where they kept him on the Primary ballot, for the reason you cited

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 3 points 1 year ago

Technically, we don't elect the president. We elect the electors who elect the president. Those electors are required to swear an oath, under 5 USC §3331.

Any elector who intends to vote for Trump is giving "aid or comfort" to a known insurrectionist, which disqualifies them from serving as an elector. They can only be an elector until they try to cast a vote for insurrectionist Trump.

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