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I am not targeting any group, race or religion or whatever, just an observation why does it seem that freedom of speech appears to invoke an image of a defence to be an asshole?

I get it, free to speak your mind and all and sometimes hard truths need to be said that but is the concept so out of whack that people have less empathy for others that they don't agree with that they antagonise another to the point of disrespecting the right to dignity?

It seems like humanity is hard wired for conflict and if it isn't actively trying to kill itself it seems to find an outlet for violence some way somehow. Maybe it is social conditioning or just some primal urge that makes humans human.

I don't even know where else I could ask it, and it seems kind of stupid to think about so... have at thee

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[-] Beliriel@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This only works for that particular law (insults) and I agree. However it breaks down at misinformation and allowing more of it enables attacks on the very foundation of those freedoms. And very often insults and misinformation go hand in hand in people with extremist stances.

[-] BurnedDonutHole@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I understand where you're coming from but I'm talking about the general parts of his speech. What he is saying is true regarding how are you going to have freedom of speech when everyone had a subjective view of things and get offended by one thing while finding other normal?

This is the problem with the main issue and I especially find it problematic to limit freedom of speech because there is almost no way to stop it becoming something to censore and/or ban people.

Misinformation is something else like defamation. Someone lying about a person or defaming someone can be proven and the guilty party would be punished. That's already implemented into the law systems off almost all the countries. On the other hand there will always be extremists in the world doesn't matter if you limit or ban them. Look at the fascist movements of the WW2 era and how they are still continuing today or the religious extremist bullshit going in the world. But justifying limiting freedom of speech because extremists are using it is like banning people from buying Toyota trucks because ISIS is using them or banning people from flying 9/11 happened.

[-] Beliriel@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Denying the holocaust is only possible because of freedom of speech and look what it's doing.

[-] BurnedDonutHole@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

So we should ban people from flying and buying Toyota trucks got it...

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