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[-] Magician@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago

And Other Wild Takes.

gamer-gulag

Also, how bad was Martin Luther?

[-] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago

He took a dive

Martin Luther 1523:

If I had been a Jew and had seen such dolts and blockheads govern and teach the Christian faith, I would sooner have become a hog than a Christian. They have dealt with the Jews as if they were dogs rather than human beings; they have done little else than deride them and seize their property.

from "That Jesus was born a Jew"

Martin Luther 1543:

On the Jews and Their Lies

from "On the Jews and Their Lies"

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 14 points 9 months ago

Dude wrote for his audience, what can you expect from a professional grifter?

[-] ksynwa_from_lemmygrad@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago

I only know of him from this game called Pentiment. I had no idea he was a wishy-washy grifter.

[-] Magician@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago

That's a pretty deep dive

[-] huf@hexbear.net 5 points 9 months ago

didnt he expect the jews to convert en-masse now that he'd finally discovered TRUE™ christianity? as if jews were jews just cos they didnt like the silly frocks of the catholic church...

[-] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago

Yup. He legit thought bis arguments were so persuasive and iron-clad the only people who would not be swayed didnt properly understand them

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 24 points 9 months ago

He sided with feudals and called to kill all the rebels during German Peasants' War.

[-] impiri@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

“It’s okay to challenge the power structures that govern the course of your life! NO NOT LIKE THAT”

[-] blight@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago

Well, he founded protestantism. Gotta be up there with some of the worst

[-] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 21 points 9 months ago

Well there is Anglican protestantism which came before and Calvinism (where the whole "Protestant work ethic" comes from) came after Luther. The man has a lot of brainworms for sure but reforming Christianity as an individual affair between god and person and not a public affair between church and person led to the improvement of peoples lives.

But in the end he is a German philosopher so yeah massively racist.

[-] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The Lollards certainly influenced Low Church Anglicans after the fact, but It's hard to square much of the ideology with what became Anglican Protestantism, and the movement was long dead by the time Luther or the English Reformation came round. Certainly Luther would not have been a fan of a completely unheirarchical clergy and lay church.

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago

all the pre-protestant heresies besides the bohemians were effectively stamped out and had little intellectual effect on the main lines of protestantism, which are all descendants of Luther in varying capacities. after White Mountain the czechs got heavily counter-reformed, catholics still being the dominant christians there.

so yes i want to blame him and will

[-] Barabas@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago

Got increasingly unhinged and was a trad guy. Can't deny that he was a powerful poster though.

Every single criticism he made of the catholic church is objectively true and correct, but he personally sucked.

[-] TheDeed@hexbear.net 16 points 9 months ago

Martin Luther's takes on Jews were a direct inspiring force behind Nazism and the holocaust

[-] Magician@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago

I thought that was him, but I wasn't sure how much of my understanding of that was outdated. Thanks!

[-] Fishroot@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Pretty bad especially when proto-protestantism is not even that new. Yet he managed to make it as bad if not worst than his predecessors

Also he created German Nationalism, which is a crime against nature

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