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I guess the native Americans can start killing Americans then
I mean, yeah they could? We literally annihilated entire civilizations of native americans, we stole this land.
Afaik, the people who did that are not around anymore. If they were, I'd say go for it, but I'm of the strong opinion that it's not ok to kill millions of people for something their predecessors did.
You just described all of human history. It is conquest all the way back to the beginning.
What a lazy way to dismiss any kind of stakes to discussing history and the consequences of it.
It is not at all true that other places outside of Europe were "calmer", if by calm you mean peaceful.
Asia: I'm sure you have heard of the original empires of Mesopotamia, like Sumer, Akkad, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and others. They were absolutely brutal, had some of the first standing armies, and practically invented genocide on a mass scale. Then there is the Mongolian Empire and other steppe empires like the Golden Horde, all of them famous for industrial-scale mass slaughter. And, of course, there is the ethnic cleansing of most of present-day China by the Han people. In Japan, early mainland immigrants wiped out the Ainu. In India, you have the invasion by northern Aryan tribes who slaughtered and dominated the Dravidian people, the remnant of which are still in southern India and Sri Lanka. Those are just a few of the better known ones.
Africa: There was all-conquering Egypt, of course, and many others south of the Sahara I'm sure, though they are less well-documented for obvious reasons.
Americas: The Inca and the Aztec were significant conquering empires. We are limited by a lack of written language in most of the Americas, but it is well-documented both orally and archaeologically that North American tribes displaced one another with regularity.
In terms of slavery...nearly every civilization prior to the industrial revolution used slave labour extensively, because that was the way to get work done before the advent of machines. The institution of slavery varied significantly across time and place, from the death sentence of working to death in Roman salt mines to well-educated slaves who were clerks and teachers. Slavery was a major Roman institution, but it was (and still is) rampant across Asia and Africa. The Americas also had slavery.
So what, Japan just colonized most of Asia to spread zen vibes? Or, you know that time Ghengis Khan raped and pillaged his way all the way to Eastern Europe? Or, failing that the repeated wars between Egypt and the Hittites? Even the native Hawaiians fought wars between the islands prior to their colonization. Conquest, genocide and enslavement have been the human condition for all of history everywhere without exception.
Preemptive edit: This doesn’t excuse any of it and we are finally, maybe barely moving past it, but the only reason it seems like this is a western phenomenon is because the most recently globally dominant nations are from there.
It is funny that you would say that right after writing that native Americans would be justified in killing Americans. You see the irony, right?