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One thing I find interesting about the fediverse is that it is so empty that you can occasionally see honest-to-God pro-NK propaganda. NK lost a quarter of a million people to starvation in the 1990's and are on a fast track to repeat the past. So glad you have access to the internet. Good for you.
Land in North Korea is widely known to be barely arable. So if they can't meet demand domestically, they must import food.
But, they have trouble importing food, because the USA has decided to sanction and blockade them. This affects not only direct trade with the USA, but because of the way sanctions work when issued by the USA, any country that also itself does trade with the USA is at risk themselves to be sanctioned by the USA for trading with North Korea.
So, you have a situation where they can't grow enough domestically, and foreign powers are preventing them from importing the food they need. And you want to say it's their fault that they have food shortages?
Of note, nearing 100% of North Korea's foreign trade is with China. Of that, food imports constitute a sizeable portion.
Now, I do not know why they do not import more food (enough to meet all demand) from China; I do not know if China is not allowing it, or if North Korea is not trying it, or if North Korea can not afford it, or what have you. If you have information on this specifically, please provide me sources (and not speculation) so that I can learn.
Food costs money and they've chosen to spend what money they have elsewhere. It is a matter of priorities. It's ok, they don't have to worry about being voted out of office over failing the public.
Let me quote myself,
All you did was speculate. That's useless, to me and to you. You can speculate and imagine what the reality may be, but unless you can show that your imagination aligns with reality, it's not of any value.
If you want to just throw quips and gotchas, I won't converse with you, because it's not fruitful. If you'll notice, I made a well thought out comment with sources to back up my claims. I was clear when there was something I didn't know, and expressed the desire to learn. Compare that to your comments.
North Korea could decide to stop alienating itself from the rest of the world with pathetic rocket antics.
Maybe that would help with the import problem.
You're moving the goalposts. The famine happened far before North Korea had nuclear missiles, and rocket tests were far less common decades ago.
I'm thinking about what North Korea can do today. Looking ahead.
The choice today is more rocket antics or less. One means more budget for food and less alienation, the other doesn't. The question is what North Korea does now.
Yes, yes. And you can even find honest-to-God pro-US propaganda. The USA lost over a million people to COVID in the 2020s and are on a fast track to repeat the past.
Show me an example of US state authored or propagated propaganda. How many people does the US have that are employed by the state to manipulate public opinion online?
dude, like you don't even have to be a communist to be aware that the US does propaganda extremely often
Where? What media outlet? Give a specific example.
There's a new propaganda department at the Pentagon that's just been re-formed, the "Perception Management" office,
In case you think the name is of no import, the Department of Defense's own official dictionary defines "perception management" as
Let's look at a definition of "propaganda",
That looks about 100% on the nose, doesn't it?
They have a history of producing propaganda and misinformation (with the excuse being "to counter enemy disinformation"[^2]), and they weren't shy talking about it,
Mind you, I've only touched on some of their work in the very recent past. There's an even larger body of evidence of the USA's use of propaganda in the slightly more distant past. I only gave the Wikipedia page on propaganda in the United States a brief skim, but it at least touches on (and links out to) some of the big picture items; of note,
[^1]: "In the battle of perception management, where the enemy is clearly using the media to help manage perceptions of the general public, our job is not perception management but to counter the enemy's perception management," said the chief Pentagon spokesman, Lawrence Di Rita. (Source) [^2]: https://consortiumnews.com/2014/12/28/the-victory-of-perception-management/
Ah, but this is on a different scale than in countries without a free press. The press in the US is free to ignore the government's information or to run a counter message. This happens every hour of every day.
you're moving the goalposts
someone criticizing the US government isn't an attack on US citizens; like it's kind of weird how we identify so hard with the country itself such that the country being criticized feels like a fundamental personal attack
You deny that the USA does propaganda. I give you proof (from the USA's government themselves) that they do propaganda. Now you move the goalpost: "yeah they do it, but it's different".
All of your comments are low effort. I see no reason not to block you.
How many employees do the CIA, NSA, and NED have?
There's a new propaganda department at the Pentagon that's just been re-formed, the "Perception Management" office,
In case you think the name is of no import, the Department of Defense's own official dictionary defines "perception management" as
Let's look at a definition of "propaganda",
That looks about 100% on the nose, doesn't it?
They have a history of producing propaganda and misinformation (with the excuse being "to counter enemy disinformation"[^2]), and they weren't shy talking about it,
Mind you, I've only touched on some of their work in the very recent past. There's an even larger body of evidence of the USA's use of propaganda in the slightly more distant past. I only gave the Wikipedia page on propaganda in the United States a brief skim, but it at least touches on (and links out to) some of the big picture items; of note,
[^1]: "In the battle of perception management, where the enemy is clearly using the media to help manage perceptions of the general public, our job is not perception management but to counter the enemy's perception management," said the chief Pentagon spokesman, Lawrence Di Rita. (Source) [^2]: https://consortiumnews.com/2014/12/28/the-victory-of-perception-management/
No. Neither of us were talking about this in the first place.