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submitted 1 year ago by maegul@lemmy.ml to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

I am ashamed that I hadn’t reasoned this through given all the rubbish digital services have pulled with “purchases” being lies.

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[-] merc@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago

Theft isn’t specific to property, you can steal services too.

You can't really "steal" services, even though they sometimes call it that. You can access services without authorization, but you're not stealing anything. You can access services you don't have authorization to access and then disrupt people who are authorized to use those services. But, again, not stealing. Just disruption.

Stealing deprives a person of something, copyright infringement and unauthorized access to services don't.

[-] desconectado@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

So salary theft by employers is not really theft. Got it.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If it's theft, it's theft. If it's fraud, it's fraud. It could be either. But "wage theft" is not copyright infringement, which is not theft.

Here's what California's Department of Industrial Relations says:

Wage theft is a form of fraud

https://www.dir.ca.gov/fraud_prevention/Wage-Theft.htm

[-] desconectado@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Stealing services doesn't necessarily have to do with copyright infringement.

My point is that OP over simplification of theft is not even worth considering, from a legal or personal point of view.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Not really, theft is theft. Fraud is fraud. Just because something feels like theft doesn't make it theft.

[-] desconectado@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You were the one who quoted that wage theft is a form or fraud, so I'm not sure what's your point. Yes, some theft can be fraud... but still theft.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Wage theft isn't theft, it's fraud.

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