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Sen. Bernie Sanders opposes giving Israel $10 billion in aid
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Israel is perpetrating a holocaust.
The word 'holocaust' goes back to a type of sacrifice in the Mediterranean where the animal bodies were burned in their entirety, coming from the Greek holos ('whole') and kaustos ('burnt').
We call what the Nazis did "the Holocaust" because they systematically killed and then burnt the bodies to ash in crematoriums.
So no, even if you think Israel is committing genocide in Palestine, they are not perpetuating a holocaust, unless they start gathering up the bodies of the dead and burning the majority of them to ash.
The Holocaust was a genocide, but not all genocides are a Holocaust (in fact, it was pretty much just the one).
I mean... They are bombing countless civilians into ash and dust. But I agree with your point of view as a whole. We need a better word here for the horrors Israel is committing.
It's War.
No. It's genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Were all the bombings during WWII genocide and ethnic cleansing?
When you bomb civilian blocks, destroy 60% of housing, and displace 2 million people, then bomb them where you told them to go, and cut humanitarian aid from them, then it's considered genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Mind blowing stuff, right?
You’re describing war. Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Kuwait, Korea, Vietnam, Japan, Germany, Kosovo, Chechnya. Just to name a few. Civilians are killed. War is horrific.
War is something, ethnic cleansing is another. And yes it's horrific.
I imagine the etymology of Holomodor is similar.
There you go.
Somehow I don't think the etymology adequately conveys the paradigm there.
Thank you. Trying to explain this away with etymology is pedantic and short sighted. The reason the word was used was to point out the hypocrisy that Israel continues to milk sympathy due to the Holocaust, capital H, whole committing genocide of their own.
Now everyone who wants to draw that comparison has to explain that they don't really mean holocaust they just mean genocide but they're saying holocaust to point out hypocrisy? Absurd.
This is absurd and distracting from the point being made by the OP. Even if you're technically correct, it's pedantic not useful to the conversation.
I find this to be a weird thing to add to a comment. Everytime I see this in a comment I wonder what its purpose is. Are you trying to prove that you know your opinion is unpopular? That you will stoically endure the downvotes to have your opinions heard? It seems odd.
Here's what I can pretty much guarantee will be an unpopular observation; Israel is 100 percent committed to eliminating Hamas, for understandable reasons. They aren't going to stop until the job is done. Therefore, if you really care about innocent Palestinian civilians getting killed, you should want to give Israel more aid since the faster they are able to destroy Hamas, the less innocent civilians get killed.
Not sure that I agree with the morality of this proposition. It seems pretty sound, but I am still wrestling with it.
Maybe, but just like with Stuxnet they're go fucking overboard and fuck it up.
Oh was Stuxnet Israel? I had thought for sure it was USA or Germany
It was a joint US-Israel-Britian effort, that was going fine until Israel modified it to do more which allowed it to escape the target and be found out by international security researchers. Up until that point, they thought their engineers were screwing up.
Israel has been massacring Palestinians decades before Hamas was a thing. They're also massacring people in the west bank where Hamas has no powers and settlers are killing people and stealing their lands.
So, your observation is incorrect.