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[-] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 22 points 11 months ago

The article says:

"RUN-HIDE-FIGHT."

Are they seriously saying that to students?? What does that mean, when faced with an armed gunman?

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 40 points 11 months ago

When faced with any sort of violence, those are your best options, in order.

RUN, if you can.

HIDE, if you can.

FIGHT, if you have to.

Guns aren't magic aim-botted kill machines. Plus, these assholes are scared and shaking, not exactly Navy SEALs. So yeah, running is indeed an option, especially if you jack rabbit. Engaging a moving target is far harder than punching holes in paper.

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

Advice from a military veteran, you can run in a straight line to safety and be fine. Real life guns are not as accurate at video game guns. Ran as fast to safety as you can.

[-] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

You don’t have to be faster than the bullet, you just have to be faster than your friends.

So don’t hang out with the track team. Hang out with the AV Club.

[-] ivanafterall@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago

My friends think I'm so generous with the lavish feasts all the time. Little do they know.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Rule #1: Cardio.

[-] SoylentBlake@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

A moving target drops your chances of being hit by 90%.

1 in 10 shots hit a moving target, in general.

[-] KingJalopy@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago

So that's why the cops don't like it when we run

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I'd love to see the data under the hood on that.

Does that apply to military scenarios? Does it distinguish indoors vs outdoors? Pistol vs. Rifle vs. Magazine size?

[-] thenightisdark@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

As someone who is not afraid of guns and owns and uses guns a moving target is just literally harder to hit.

Analogy would be a car it's easier to drive a car while stationary it's hard to drive a car on the freeway with other moving cars.

"According to the California Highway Patrol (CHP), there were 216,366 traffic accidents in the state in 2022, which resulted in 3,854 fatalities and 165,978 injuries"

And people in cars are not trying to hurt anyone. 🤣

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Run if you can, hide if you can, fight if you have to. Essentially, you're on your own, we can't do anything to help you or stop gun violence.

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yup, it's pretty common training in America these days.

First, try to run. Just get out via whichever exit is in the opposite direction of the gunshots. But running isn't always an option. Maybe there are multiple shooters, or you're in an area without a second exit. Pretty common in schools, where each classroom only has one door. So you fall back to the second option:

Hide. Fortify your position if possible. Lock and barricade doors, shut off lights, and find somewhere to hide. You want to make yourself an unattractive target, because mass shooters are looking for easy targets. They want to hit as many people as possible, so they aren't going to waste time searching potentially empty rooms and forcing their way past furniture barricades for what could turn out to be only one or two people. You don't even unlock the door for the police, because it could be a shooter in disguise. If the cops are there, they'll have a master key for the building and will be able to unlock it themselves. But if the shooter does manage to get into your hiding area, that's when you fall back to option three:

Fight. While hiding and barricading, you're also looking for improvised weapons. A broken chair leg, a flagpole with a point on the end to use as a spear, a fire extinguisher to blind and bludgeon, etc... You quietly plan with the others in your hiding area, because you all need to be on the same page: If the shooter is determined to get into your room, every single person in that room needs to be prepared to kill the shooter. It's kill or be killed. Everyone needs to swarm the shooter, don't give them a chance to shoot you one at a time. If five people fight, one or two people may get shot before the shooter is killed. If everyone just freezes, the shooter will kill all five of you. So you all hit the shooter hard, you hit them fast, and you don't stop until they're completely incapacitated.

[-] Kainsley@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Interestingly that's the name of a film about...a mass shooter at a school

[-] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago
[-] lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 11 months ago

I got that training when I was a university student a while back. Officer Friendly came and showed us a video about it in the seminar room.

When you hear gunshots, you're supposed to run away (if it seems safe), or hide somewhere and barricade yourself in (if you can't run), or try to surprise and fight off the gunman (if you think your hiding spot is about to be discovered).

I asked if I should run in a straight line or in a zigzag pattern or something. The officer said it's best to run for cover. I asked what to do if there was no cover. I forget what the advice for that situation was. I think the officer said people's aim sometimes isn't that great.

I guess it's better than freezing and waiting to die.

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Opps, I just posted something similar. Most gunman don't aim, at all, they just point in the general direction so speed is your friend. Even in combat we noticed few ever properly aim, breathe, and take the time to lead a target. Run like hell and you'll be okay. Standing still or moving slow increase you odds of being hit.

[-] Psychonaut1969@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

Sounds like the same training they give hospital employees.

[-] interceder270@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

Yeah, that stood out to me as crazy too.

I think it's really just propaganda: pretending to do something when in reality doing nothing.

Like, who the fuck isn't going to do that?

[-] meco03211@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

It's the new stop drop and roll. Though I constantly see videos of people on for seemingly taking the active shooter advice and sprinting away from the flames attached to them.

[-] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

Did you mean Duck and Cover? It worked in the Cold War.

[-] SoylentBlake@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

What did it work to accomplish? I don't recall any nuclear bombs being dropped on any cities post 1945...

Duck and cover was shitty ineffective social programming to placate yet keep the gen pop scared and nodding instead of the leaders of the world acting like fucking adults.

It's an example of politicians failing, of leaders incapable or unwilling to compromise and imagine any solution where they are a single color in a painting and not the whole painting.

[-] interceder270@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Stop drop and roll isn't intuitive or instinctual and should be taught so people have an idea of what to do if they're ever on fire.

[-] meco03211@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Apparently you've never seen someone freeze in a tense situation. Running from an immediate threat isn't hardwired into every animal, humans included.

[-] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago
[-] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago
[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Police will absolutely kill you if you kill the gunman.

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