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submitted 11 months ago by DevCat@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

“I’ll tell you a secret, since media is not here. Thank you for not allowing the media in. Look, I’m a Southern Baptist, I don’t wanna get too spooky on you, But, you know, the Lord speaks to your heart.

“The Lord began to wake me up, through this three-week process, in the middle of night to speak to me. The Lord impressed upon my heart a few weeks before this happened that something was going to occur.

“And the Lord very specifically told me in my prayers to prepare, but to wait. At the time, I assumed the Lord was going to choose a new Moses and thank you, Lord, you’re going to allow me to be Aaron to Moses.

“I had this sense that we were going to come to a Red Sea moment in our Republican conference and in the county at large. God had been speaking to me about this, and the Lord told me very clearly to prepare and be ready.

“Ultimately 13 people ran for the post. And the Lord kept telling me to, ‘Wait, wait, wait.’ So I waited, I waited. And then at the end the Lord said, ‘Now step forward.’

“Me? I’m supposed to be Aaron. ‘No,’ the Lord said, ‘Step forward.’” – Mike Johnson, speaking last night to the far-right National Association of Christian Lawmakers.

This man is a true believer. True believers do not compromise anything that goes against what they believe their religion tells them. This man is far more dangerous than Donald Trump, who is simply a grifter and was in it for himself. This guy thinks the gods have ordained him. Anybody who stands against him is going against God, in his own mind.

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[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Christian here. That's not how it works. America is not God's chosen nation, and you are not God's chosen leader. You are a little man with delusions of grandeur, trying to use your meager understanding of religion to pull the wool over the eyes of other Christians.

I'm not fooled. And there are a lot more like me who aren't fooled, either.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

The sad part is how many are fooled. By this guy or even by Trump. And sad how many feel the US is chosen. Not surprising. Some people eschew facts entirely and rely solely on faith. They tend to be able to be easily convinced of all sorts of hogwash.

I'm honestly not sure if Johnson is a grifter or zealous to the point of delusion. The former sucks and is scary. The latter is absolutely terrifying.

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Yep. And it's not a historical faith, it's a faith invented about 50 years ago by James Dobson and a bunch of Republicans who wanted to gain power for themselves. "Christian conservatism" is a cult, but led by some of the least charismatic people imaginable.

[-] DarthBueller@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

James Dobson started out fairly normal (relatively speaking) in the 1970s as a Christian Psychologist. My parent’s version of “the talk” for me and my sisters were audiocassettes by him about human sexuality from the late 70s/early 80s. Don’t remember much of the details, but I do recall he thought sexual fantasies were normal and had zero issue with masturbation.

He got more and more fundie over the decades, and dove into politics. It is easy to say that Dobson and his evangelical contemporaries are hugely responsible for making evangelicalism the christofascist nightmare that it is today, but having been on the inside, it’s way worse than that.

They’re the inevitable child of a religious culture that idolizes the god-given, white colonialist-settled US and necessarily creates cults of personality around “godly” men.

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

You're right that it's more complicated than that. But I thought it was well understood that he was working behind the scenes from the beginning to intentionally craft the narrative of a paternalistic, aggressive faith that was pro-war and anti-government. Is that not your understanding? Because Phyllis Schlafly preceded him and she was definitely in that same vein.

I might have the causality a little bit off, though. Most of my information comes from Kristin Du Mez's work, but it's been a while so I might be misremembering parts of it. I grew up in evangelicalism, but in the late 80s and 90s when everything was pretty well humming along toward Trump or somebody like him—even though we didn't know it yet.

I also forgot to mention how all of that was building on the racist work of antebellum preachers who said that freedom for slaves was essentially an early sign of the apocalypse and certainly the end of the world was coming soon (that's more or less the way that the Rapture, which was a fringe theology up to that point, became popularized). It was then that American Christianity went from being mostly outward-focused in daily life and insular in ways of politics to being insular in daily life and outward-focused in ways for politics.

In any case, it was a gross history constructed by people trying to gain power for themselves and the Republican party. I do know that the big turning point came when they decided to come out against abortion specifically because they thought Jimmy Carter was too popular among Christians.

[-] DarthBueller@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

We’re on the same page, friend. I suppose my point is that the self-appointed leaders of white evangelicalism past and present got where they are by a feedback loop between themselves and their followers. You can only sell something like hotcakes if people want what’s on offer. People wanted justification for slavery, they got it. People wanted justification for persecution of secularist jews, they got the Red Scare and McCarthyism. I’d argue that the modern christofascism has its roots most directly in McCarthyism. The John Birch Society is a white Christian nationalist organization that had its heyday in the 50s and early 60s, but really just was giving people what they wanted. A quick fix of endorphins that comes from defining and hating an evil other.

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Indeed, absolutely on the same page. I've heard it said before that God's harshest judgement is to give people what they want.

[-] itsAsin@lemmy.world -5 points 11 months ago

oh yes, i see now....

... YOU are part of the elect few who TRULY understand. of course!

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Not at all. I just actually read the bible Johnson claims to read. Also helps to understand the disgusting history of evangelicalism.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

It isn't rocket science. I'm agnostic but it's incredibly clear that the teachings of Jesus are antithetical to Republicans. Jesus would be a through and through Democrat who wishes for a proper socialist party.

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