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How old are you that you still get carded for cigarettes? What doctor do you go to that requires photo ID? You do not always need photo ID to rent a place. You are just making half that shit up.
Definitely concur that half that list is made-up. The key point they're missing is that nothing on that list is a right bestowed upon us. It shouldn't cost you money in order to vote in an election.
Nothing on that list is a right, but the point is you have to have photo ID to function as a basic adult in this country, forget voting. Just going into the world, having a job and a bank account requires identification.
CmdrShepard’s argument here is important - you are looking at the burden to you, not the burden to the least capable person. Voting should be free to all. If you begin to argue that people who can’t get an ID shouldn’t vote, you should also be okay with me setting income requirements above your income for voting (I do quite well). That’s the slippery slope that people are arguing against. Everyone should be able to vote, full stop.
We already have an ID requirement, it's a signature. If your signature doesn't match, you have to correct it or your vote isn't counted.
Here, the signature used, is the one from your state drivers license or ID card...
So you want to restrict voting to those individuals who only have a job and a bank account? That sure sounds familiar. Do you also think voters should have to pass a written test before exercising their right to vote too?
No, I'm saying the number of people who a) want to vote but b) don't take part in any other sort of adult life due to not having ID is incredibly low.
Maybe you missed the everyone in the previous post. It doesn't matter if it's two people in the country (it's likely at least a million, that would be less than 0.3%), no one eligible should not be able to vote.
Okay? So once again, are you saying it doesn't matter if you discriminate against someone's rights as long as they're a minority? It's like we're reliving the 1800s-1960s with each one of your comments.
I'm not advocating for discrimination, I'm saying I doubt that there are any reasonable number of adults who want to vote but can't due to a lack of ID when you need to have ID to do literally anything else in adult society.
I have been required to show a photo ID for all of those things regularly throughout my entire life. Maybe you haven’t, and maybe some people don’t, but I have in several states.
They have asked for your photo ID when going to the doctor every time? I have never had that happen. They ask for my insurance card when I have never been to them before. I honestly do not even think I have showed photo ID then except for when I was in college and they asked for my university ID.
As for things like cigarettes or booze, they really card people who are clearly like 60 where you are?
Yes at the doctor’s office. As for cigarettes and booze, I’m in my 40s, so it not every time, but it still happens often.
I don't smoke, but I stand behind people in line getting carded ALL THE TIME.
And I stand behind people who do not get carded for buying alcohol all the time. You only have to card someone if they look under 39.5 which is a pretty subjective measure (and a weird number to settle on) according to the signs posted at registers. So it's almost like different places have different policies. Poorer areas like where I live tend to take the risk of carding less often.
I got carded trying to order a beer at a restaurant a couple of years ago.
Apparently my long grey beard wasn't enough of an indication that I might be older than 21.
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I own a place that I rent out. You want to rent from me. You need an Id so I can check your background. No id? Hit the road.
The fact your believe your personal view is the whole argument says quite a lot.
Their perspective of life is the only one that's real or matters. Didn't you know that?
Good for you? Are you the center of the fucking universe that dictates rules for everything? No? Then maybe that isn't the case for everyone, dingus.
Where did I say it was the case for everyone?
You were the one who made the claim that he didn't need an id to rent. I'm simply showing you that isn't necessarily true. And no where did I even come close to saying I make the rules for everyone. Again I'm simply showing you that you were wrong in your claim.
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