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[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 46 points 11 months ago

She has absolutely zero charisma, just not a likeable or trustworthy individual.

It honestly amazes me the calibre of candidate America has been able to put forward the last few years, you have either Hillary, or a selection of coffin dodgers.

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 19 points 11 months ago

That's because the ruling class is a bunch of zombies running the earth into the ground for profit. You have to be a soulless goul to get approval to run for office. There are zero new ideas or vision, just greed vampires.

[-] Something_Complex@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

It's a problem, how do you rise to power without having to do awful things that make you just like them...

Shit I remember I loved the show The Boys bc it showed how you had to compromise every single one of your values to reach anywhere ...

[-] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 11 months ago

There's a phrase or quote about this that I can't remember...

Something about how the people you would actually want to govern would never volunteer to do so.

[-] Followupquestion@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago

“ The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.

To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.

To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”

Written by Douglas Adams

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago

Why would you run for office if not for personal gain? Only an idiot would put themselves through that wringer for the betterment of society. Because you will never change the system, the system exists to extract wealth from the weak to give to the strong. Thinking otherwise is delusional and demands scorn or at least suspicion.

I'm feeling extra cynical today.

[-] osarusan@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

ITT: "The whole system is broken and it will never get better because every candidate is awful and good people never run. Why does nobody like me ever run for office?"

Also ITT: ”Why would you run for office if not for personal gain? ”

I know you're just being cynical, and I'm just poking at you... but really, though. For the people, by the people, and of the people. If you hate the people running so much, seriously, step up and run! That's the entire point of our system!

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

I'm usually a proponent of that ethos. I do take part civicly. I think the further up the ladder you go the more polluted your ethics tend to get. We appear to have it slightly better in Canada, for the time being. I've lost hope for you dudes down there. I think you're fucked. Sorry.

[-] Something_Complex@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I don't know if you understood, I already hit my ceiling. I'm not willing to compromise any more to actually be able to do something.

I truly wanted to leave this world better then how I found it.

But in a society made for psychopaths to thrive I don't think I have it in me. Even If I could hold on, when I got to a position that matters I probably sacrificed so much that I would be little better then them. Not to mention that probably I will be surrounded by awful people that make me wonder who am I doing this for.

Basically, I don't think I can do it, just hanging out with those shitty legacy kids already takes me out of the game and you (unfortunately )need those conections to advance. But they say shit like, "I bet I can spit in that homeless " or "I can't wait until my grandma dies so i can inherit "

They can go places because they grew up in a bunch of places that allow them to know everyone important in a country, ivy legacies. But then they have the moral values of a sociopath at best... How do you create change if you have to be around these people and not lose hope

[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

As far as her being trustworthy, personally I'd trust her as much or more than about 90% of politicians out there, which is admittedly a pretty low bar, and probably says more about how shit our politicians are overall as opposed to being a particularly positive comment about her.

Don't get me wrong, I don't exactly like her, she's far from my first choice, but overall I'd generally trust her to do what she says she's going to do. I may not always like what she says she's going to do, but sadly the bar is low enough that just being upfront about the ways she'd fuck us over is almost refreshing compared to the flat out lies and bait-and-switch schemes and such most politicians pull.

I also generally trust her to not be outright malicious, maybe greedy, misguided, short-sighted, stubborn, and/or wrong, sure, I could definitely see those, but I don't think she's generally out to hurt people she doesn't like just for the sake of hurting people, which again is sadly how low our bar is set.

No other real disagreements with your comment, I'd agree that shes not charismatic, not likeable, but fairly trustworthy as far as politicians go, which is a huge asterisk to throw on there.

If I woke up from a coma into a world with president Hillary, I'd be far from thrilled, but I could also kind of shrug it off as "well we could have done a lot worse."

[-] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 3 points 11 months ago

I agree. I don't think she's worse than any other liberal politician, and I think notably better than all but the most progressive ones (like better than Biden probably) . Her biggest sin (imo) is that she's not very charismatic. Like the opposite of Michelle Obama - who's very likeable and charismatic but has no political ambitions.

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