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[-] Skua@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

let’s not get in a pissing match or dick-measuring contest about who’s ponying up more

literally your entire presence in this thread is dick-measuring about how europe isn't doing enough

I get you don’t want to discuss that because its a problem with regard to your thesis

No, it isn't. My point is that Europe is giving more to Ukraine and that while the European NATO members should meet the 2% commitment, doing so would not actually help Ukraine. If you want to have a general discussion about Europe's defence capacity then sure, have fun somewhere, but I had figured that since you commented on an article you were commenting about the article

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Well, I think thats a bit disingenuous. I am commenting more about how ridiculously beholden the viabillity of this entire effort (supporting Ukraine's war defense) seems to be on the participation of the US (in terms of financial backing) and its vulnerabillity to the US' internal political machinations when Europe should be underwriting and guranteeing this for the most part and anything the US provides should probably seen more as the "sprinkles" or a cherry on top.

Zelensky has certainly portrayed it as such (US blocking more funding == existential threat to Ukraine), and I'm not criticizing him for putting on that show because ultimately I think it will help in many ways but I sincerly hope their troops (to the extent they are in any way aware of what is happening on the larger world-level) are advised that they are going to be fine and morale is not affected by the soap opera aspect to all of this

Edit: its so goddamn sad the West needs a damn fairtyale to entertain ourselves sufficiently for us to drop $1/€ in the hat😤

this post was submitted on 11 Dec 2023
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