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But funding genocide isn't unaffordable...
Got plenty of billions to give to Netanyahu to continue his genocide of Palestinians no matter what. Just not enough for Americans to have stuff like healthcare or retirement.
Nope.
Gotta have priorities, it's not like we could ask the wealthiest to pay their fair of taxes either. Just think of all the donations politicians like Biden would lose our on!
What the fuck are you talking about? Biden and the Democrats are the only politicians trying to tax the rich, get people healthcare, and keep Medicare funded. Blame the Republicans that stop them every time. It has nothing to do with not being able to afford it.
Yea the US could sacrifice zero dollars in defense budget and still provide adequate service to the population. Healthcare is cheaper when it's not being profiteered by insurance middlemen, and private companies pricing is really hard to influence directly without something like a price fixing lawsuit.
But hey gotta maintain the "democrats are just as bad" image.
They’re one of those “gEnOcIdEr JoE” types that don’t realize the US would’ve backed Israel regardless of who was President.
Also, the military industrial complex is fucking insane and it’s arguable that the US has invested so much into it that it would hugely impact the economy between all the programs, jobs, and money in general we (over)give to them.
Of course I know we would have supported Israel regardless. They are an ally who was attacked. It's the right thing to do. That isn't to say that I don't think there shouldn't be restrictions that come with that aid. Limits on civilian casualties for example. That is all irrelevant to the point.
You're right that the MIC is a huge part of the economy, so if anything supplying weapons to Israel will inject billions into the US economy. That will only help the finances of the average American.
Not necessarily. Reagan stopped the bombing of West Beirut with a phone call. Fucking Reagan. Maybe at the start the US would've backed Israel, but things getting this bad is clearly genocide Joe's fault.
Yes.
If you pretend the only two options are Republicans or Moderate Dems, then the moderate Dems are the only ones doing anything.
They're throwing glasses of water on the fire while your house burns down and stopping for five minutes between glasses to demand you praise them.
And that is the two party system. And only the two parties can change it.
Which is why Bernie has spent decades trying to get a progressive movement going. And it's finally happening.
So now we have some democrats willing to fix shit.
But don't just lump everyone with a "D" next to their name into the same group.
So I'll go back to blaming the Republicans when Republicans make shit worse.
And I'll keep blaming moderate Dems when they refuse to fix anything once in power. Even the rare things they do fix, it's still less than what Republicans break.
Keep it up, shit keeps getting worse. It's just hitting a couple branches on your way down. It's ain't even a parachute, sure as shit isn't preventing the fall.
Everyone with a D by their name is in the same group. That is what a two party system means. There are no moderate or progressive Democrats. There are just Democrats. Sowing division amongst Democrats only helps Republicans.
While I agree with the message of unity in your comment, why would you push it via this complete fabrication?
As just one example among many -
AOC: ‘In any other country, Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party’
When you look at the ballot to vote, It just says Democrat. In other countries there are more options, but here it is just D and R.
Get the Republicans out of power. Then you can criticize the Democrats all you want. That is all that matters. They are an existential threat.
Looks like that's it for now, but I have a pretty good idea what comes next
Either we repeat those steps again, or you're actually right and Republicans are in power, then we still can't criticize him.
When exactly are we allowed to disagree with our politicians again? I knew Republicans stopped long ago. But I honestly missed the memo democrats are doing it now too.
Think I'll pass tho, it looked to work out pretty bad for Republicans
This thread is getting really cultish huh? If you just change a few terms around its uncanny... I bet there's like a right-wing thread out there, a bizarro version of this one.
A Republican poster writes, saying they are gonna vote third party, cuz 'fuck dems' and also 'fuck the increasing fascism in the R party'
(It's probably out there, right? Bear with me).
In that possible/probable posting i wonder if we'd see responses like these?
I feel like I've even read that on FOX news.
Not as bad as the first one, but still shuts down thought.
I got long winded and i also don't know how to end it so hey, i appreciate you.
Beat Trump. Nothing else matters besides that.
Not only funding genocide but also defunding a country legitimately trying to defend itself from an invasion. Somehow, he can invoke emergency powers to weaponize Israel, but Ukraine's fate is left to another group who can't even manage to pass a bowl of mashed potatoes.
Military budget has nothing to do with prescription drugs and groceries.
Wait...
You think the 15 billion Biden wants Israel to have is coming out of the defense budget?!
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/20/us/politics/bidens-funds-israel-ukraine.html
You think any of the billions we give them annually is being taken away from the DoD?
Ludacris.
The military budget isn't paying for that.
It's getting added to our debt, which will then prevent moderates and Republicans from supporting shit like universal healthcare or tax cuts to the least wealthy
Gotta say, didn't think I'd have to break that down. Thought everyone in a political sub would understand
If you think that Republicans are against universal healthcare and progressive tax structures because the national debt is too high, then I also have a bridge to sell you.
They don't support those things because it's evil, evil socialism and makes rich people slightly less rich. Even if the debt was $0, they'd still oppose things like that. It's who they are.
Both groups will use any excuse not to do those things.
But an extra 15 billion in addition to the like 1.5 billion Israel always gets is going to give them a great big debt to point to. And they won't take that from defense spending.
It will be used to justify cuts to other shit we actually need.
When they don't have a plausible excuse, theyre less like to get re-elected.
It's why Netanyahu's government doesn't want to get rid of Hamas. They'd still do all the fucked up shit they always do, Hamas is just the best excuse they have
And debt is the best excuse "moderate" Dems have for standing lockstep with Republicans against progress.
Your really keeping that armchair warm aren't you.