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The Supreme Court said Wednesday it will consider whether to restrict access to a widely used abortion drug — even in states where the procedure is still allowed.

The case concerns the drug mifepristone that — when coupled with another drug — is one of the most common abortion methods in the United States.

The decision means the conservative-leaning court will again wade into the abortion debate after overturning Roe v. Wade last year, altering the landscape of abortion rights nationwide and triggering more than half the states to outlaw or severely restrict the procedure.

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[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 67 points 2 years ago

The constitution says nothing about this. Which means any ruling is judicial overstep

[-] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 7 points 2 years ago

That would mean Federal Agencies would be beyond Judicial review. You sure that's what you want?

[-] Adalast@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Not beyond judicial review, but not under the purview of the SCOTUS. This is the kind of shit that District Courts and US Courts of Appeals are for. SCOTUS is only supposed to determine if the rulings of lower courts, legislation, or presidential actions violate any provisions of the Constitution or existing statutes. They aren't supposed to legislate from the bench, they aren't supposed to pass judgment on cases, and they aren't supposed to meddle in the affairs of the other branches as long as they are coloring inside the lines. Their only purview is the legality of laws and rulings. Nothing more. As much as I was happy for the Roe v. Wade ruling, it was supposed to be kicked back to the legislature to form appropriate laws surrounding the matter, not to rest the legality on the president that was set. This is fundamentally judicial overreach, as is about 90% of everything they have done this last couple years.

[-] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Not beyond judicial review, but not under the purview of the SCOTUS.

They aren't under the purview of SCOTUS. The lower courts are.

Their only purview is the legality of laws and rulings.

That's exactly what they're doing here. A lower court ruled that the FDA didn't follow it's own process when relaxing restrictions around the prescribing and dispensing of mifepristone. The loser appealed and the next highest court ruled that the FDA did follow its own process. Repeat appeals until you reach SCOTUS who is now ruling on which of the lower courts is correct. That's it.

SCOTUS is NOT ruling on whether mifepristone is legal or approved for use, it's ruling on whether a lower court followed the law when reaching its decision and whether or not that decision is consistent with the Constitution. In practical terms whichever way SCOTUS rules it's those lower courts whose authority will be used to direct (or not) whatever the FDA does next.

This is fundamentally judicial overreach, as is about 90% of everything they have done this last couple years.

You see so much as "Judicial Overreach" for two reasons:

  1. You don't understand the process.
  2. So much of what gets to court, including SCOTUS, these days are questions of Administrative Law because much of this country is being run by Administrative Law. Which is what this case is about.

Most of what is decried as "Judicial Overreach" should more correctly be called AGENCY Overreach but its being blamed on the Judiciary.

Like this case. The problem isn't SCOTUS it's the agency known as the FDA.

[-] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago
[-] JustZ@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago

That's not at all how the law works. There are millions of federal statutes and regulations, all of which need interpretation.

Also, the Constitution does talk about health and welfare and interstate commerce powers.

[-] Brokkr@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago

The Supreme Court is supposed to rule on the constitutuonality of laws passed by the legislature. The court has no power to make laws.

Making a decision about the legality of medication is judicial overreach. That power is granted to congress alone, unless they have delegated some of that power to the executive branch (such as through the FDA).

[-] DemBoSain@midwest.social 9 points 2 years ago

The Supreme Court has no authority to "rule" on the constitutionality of laws. They took that power for themselves (Marbury v Madison) and nobody called them on it. They've now decided that the constitution isn't comprehensive and they must also consider the customs and traditions of the nation (and even before) when they come to a decision. Dangerous times.

[-] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 5 points 2 years ago

Making a decision about the legality of medication is judicial overreach.

That isn't whats happening. What's going on is that the FDA is being challenged that it didn't follow it's own process on approving the relaxation of rules regarding the prescribing and dispensing of Mifepristone. If SCOTUS rules that they didn't follow their process mifepristone will still be available but will return to being harder to get...at least until it DOES follow its own process.

[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That's a rightwing lie about what the Court is supposed to do. The high court may rule on appeals from the state's highest court's decision and any federal court's decision. Virtually all modern First Amendment freedom is ”courtmade law,” likewise for the Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, Eighth, Fourteenth. Miranda rights are "court made," exclusionary rule.

Conservatives love it too. They love them some court made "government contractor defense," in which the originalst textualist Justoce Scalia extended the federal government's sovereign immunity to defense contractors based on no statute or constitution.

Scotus isn't being called to pass upon the legality of medication, it is being called to pass upon the legality of the federal substantive and procedural due process given to stakeholders in the administrative rulemaking process. It's very much a constitutional issue, insomuch as due process, notice, and comment, are prerequisites to Constitutional due process. Sort of seems like you don't know what you're talking about.

[-] Brokkr@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Originally, I thought you were a troll, but I think you are sincere. It seems that we largely agree on what the court is supposed to do. However, I think you may have misunderstood my statements and the role of the Supreme Court.

Granted, I'm not a Con Law scholar, so I might be wrong. So if you have a hobbyist interest like I do, I'd suggest two podcasts: Opening Arguments, and "What Can Trump Teach Us About Con Law". Both are well researched, entertaining, and informative.

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