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Is there any set of circumstances where dems would ever take meaningful, organized action against The Party?

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[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 30 points 11 months ago

No, Trump doesn’t care about our system and neither do Republicans.

Neither do Democrats, they just use that excuse to do their feigned helplessness routine. But more importantly, who cares? "The system" is not holy, it is a nation-state and we should do everything we can to exert our collective power for liberation and human need, not worshipping "norms" or an oligarchy in robes.

They have a majority in the court which is the main check on presidential power.

Per the Constitution, the main check on presidential power is Congress, actually. The courts could be ignored at any time if the executive wanted to and it would be up to Congress to try and fight it.

However, this is pointlessly hypothetical. Biden et al don't even try to have these fights in the first place. It's not like we're looking at a string of successful and well-constructed policy fights that keep getting derailed at the last moment by the courts. We mostly see excuse making for why there's no attempt or patently foolish policies intended to fail in the courts.

Joe DID try to go around congress and got shut down by the conservative super majority.

You'd have to list the instance you're thinking of but if it's student debt relief he chose an overtly stupid rationale that was known to be such from the moment it was announced. Lawyers all went, "huh, that's stupid" and then went back to meditating megacorp takeovers.

They won’t shut Trump down because they want America to be a Christo-fascist state.

They shut down Trump repeatedly and kept him more or less within the same strictures. And Trump had great success in social spending using the pandemic. Oh, right, the global pandemic. Something Biden could've used to continue a national emergency to push through these kinds of things rather than what he actually did, which was to support the normalization of disease, a corrupt CDC leadership, and forcing people back to work in dangerous conditions.

Joe can’t do the same because he doesn’t have a friendly court or congress right now AND he is trying to play by the rules as he isn’t a fascist dictator like Trump is trying to become.

There are no rules lol. There's just power and who will enforce their claims. The government ignores "the rules" all the time and avoids repercussions. You will be thrown out of your rental for back rent, with cops pointing rifles at you, during an eviction moratorium, and your hearing with the judge will go terribly for you, despite your landlord, the cops, and the judge all breaking the law.

Anyways, Biden had Congress for half his term and did bad shit with it.

Last I heard, Democrats still do. So it’s an Apples and Oranges comparison. If Biden had the governmental situation Trump would in a second term, he could do what you propose - if he wanted to embrace authoritarianism.

Define authoritarianism without looking it up. Scout's honor.

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