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But even so, I mean, all of this is really irrelevant whether Julian’s a journalist or not. The question is, is Julian accused of journalism? And he is. It is the activity that has been criminalized. Not whether he falls into a category or not. It’s the category of the activity that is being criminalized. Receiving, obtaining, and communicating information to the public.