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Swiss cocaine so cheap and widely used they’re considering legalising it
(www.telegraph.co.uk)
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I've had friends that were cocaine addicts and some that really hit the bottom. This seems insane to me, this isn't a fun and easy drug like weed imo. I've always lumped coke with meth and heroin.
Yeah there is no safe amount of cocaine to do. There is also no safe amount of alcohol to do. At least if shit is legalised people can decide to use cocaine or not with informed consent and can be sure they are actually getting pure cocaine.
I had a friends cousin die from using cocaine but it was because they had bought it off a street dealer and it was tainted with fentanyl. They just wanted to have a little extra fun on a night out on vacation. They'd be alive and well if cocaine was legal.
Prohibition doesn't work. It just adds suffering and stigma to addiction. One of the biggest factors to addiction is isolation something that criminalizing health issues greatly contributes to.
If there's no safe amount of alcohol to do, there's no safe amount of weed to do.
Nonsense. Alcohol is a carcinogen, every part of your body it touches has an increased risk of developing cancer. It is directly neurotoxic. It damages the liver and stomache. A bottle of it can kill you. Stopping taking it can kill you.
Weed taken orally is physically very safe. It can still be habit forming and there are other unwanted side effects but to act like it is physically comaparable to alcohol is silly.
I say there's no safe amount of cocaine because it is directly cardiotoxic and has been known to cause heart defects in healthy young men at moderate doses.
I don't think ant drug should be illegal I just think people should be aware of the dangers of substances so they can make an informed decision.
You're very confident, at least. I'll give you that.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24118193/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6793471/
"We hypothesize that THC neurotoxicity is attributable to activation of the prostanoid synthesis pathway and generation of free radicals by cyclooxygenase.", would make THC, by definition, a carcinogen.
I also agree with your last statement completely. My issue is that everyone touts weed like it's God's greatest gift to mankind, and it very clearly is not. Stoners are easily identifiable by their inability to think clearly and quickly even when sober for stints. Weed absolutely affects the brain.
But shouting it's safety from the heavens is not at all responsible, simply because not enough research has gone into the substance. Even CBD is a neurotoxin, albeit with some observed neuro-protective properties: https://www.advancedsciencenews.com/how-the-brain-protects-itself-from-the-negative-effects-of-cbd/#:~:text=However%2C%20when%20CBD%20was%20applied,50%25%20of%20the%20neurons%20died.
If those neuro-protective properties failed in other parts of the brain for reasons of age, mice brains being significantly different, medications, or health conditions, the results would be devastating.
Sounds like just another dumb opinion.
Way to only respond to that.
And that's not a dumb opinion, it's something I've noticed from multiple close friends becoming heavy users, and then stopping use because they couldn't think clearly. If you had read the articles, it's actually from THC's neurotoxic effects on the hippocampus.
Sounds like a you problem for selecting dumb asses for friends.
Ok, good to know. I also try to make sure people understand weed is addictive and has withdrawal symptoms and all that. You were the one who brought weed up originally though. And there is still no doubt that cocaine and alcohol are more dangerous than weed.
Weed can also cause cancer. In fact, it's worse in terms of that.
Source?
I mean smoking anything will cause cancer but there's no reason to think weed taken orally isn't one of the most safe chemicals we have.
We can name the chemical to make sure we don't think about smoking it. For example, I wouldn't say this for THC. But weed is usually smoked.
There's actually evidence to the contrary, but weed as a whole hadn't really been studied enough to say with certainty: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24118193/ & https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6793471/
Sure, but what chemicals do we have that are safer? Pretty much all of our over the counter drugs will fuck you up long term if taken regularly, and lots of them are acutely dangerous.
Yes... from the perspective themelm argues. Any drug/substance can throw you in a downward spiral if you dont have a reason for living, meaning in your life.
Not the perspective I was arguing. I was arguing that people should be allowed to make informed decisions about what they want to put in their body and that criminalizing drug use doesn't help anyone but criminal drug gangs.
I was agreeing with you... In the part that criminalization increases social isolation... It was just a remark towards @Sweetpeaches69, who tries reductio-ad-absurdum, which for weed (like any substance) has negative effects on the body, and mind (and in it's specific case the mixture of the two - brain).
I was mostly trying to tell about the biggest impact of weed I can see (and so I write) is the use during difficult times in life (nobody became an addict out of a fulfilling and good life, fairly sure it is a saying even in English?) can exacerbate life problems.
OK, I think i see what you're getting at.