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China bans export of rare earths processing tech over national security
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Yup, though you are comparing 19th century tech to cutting edge tech: the PRC isn't going to crack EUV lithography on its own any time soon
China can't make modern electronics
Okay they can make modern electronics but they'll never design their own domestic brands
Okay they made their domestic brands but they'll never achieve market dominance
Okay their domestic brands dominate their own market but they'll never see export success
Okay they're seeing export success in the EU, India, SEA, and the Middle East, but they'll never make their own RAM or set teleco standards
Okay they made their own RAM and helped define the standard for 5G, but they'll never make their own processors.
Okay they made their own processors but they'll never make anything smaller than 10nm
Okay they made a 10mn chip but they'll never make a 7nm chip
Okay they made a 7nm chip but they'll never make a 5nm chip
Okay they made a 5nm chip but they'll never crack DUV
Okay they cracked DUV but they'll never crack EUV <------ YOU ARE COPING HERE
Okay they cracked EUV but they'll never make a 4nm chip
Okay they made a 4nm chip but they'll never build a chip factory around a large scale particle accelerator
Okay they built a large scale chip factory around a particle accelerator but...
You obviously fall into the trap of believing that hard science cares about politics, and that money thrown at problems as part of national strategic planning magically solves them. But for anyone else legitimately interested in understanding the topic better and having a glimpse at its complexity, those are great resources:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmgkV83OhHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ge2RcvDlgw
If the above is too advanced, this can serve as a good primer and answers "how the heck did we get there": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt9NEnWmyMo
Also, I never wrote that China will never get to EUV (or eventually something beyond that), just that it will take a very long time, because the complexity is spread across several very distinct scientific disciplines, integrating them is a challenge of its own (again, watch the videos), and packaging this into a system that meets the scale and reliability requirements to make it commercially viable hasn't been reproduced to date.
You definitely know you’re winning when you’re constantly complaining about your opponent. You hate communists yet allow them to live in your brain rent-free. Interesting.
I have no idea why you try to bring a kindergarten level political twist to what was essentially a factual and informative comment. I don't want to sound insulting but given the context you should perhaps think about your own insecurities and mental health before wondering about that of others.
Love turning mental health discourse into a snide bitchy weapon to imply that someone pursuing a disagreement is simply mEnTaLlY iLl
Who hurt you? Help is available.
Yup, no idea why parent poster engaged in this direction. If you know, let me know.
Lol you're too much of a coward to defend it
Maybe? At this point you are just throwing insults. Does that make you feel good? I'm happy for you, then. Also, congrats for winning the internet for today, you definitely contributed to the betterment of this world.
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suck ya mum
No one is attacking your "factual and informative" comment.
No one is disputing the difficulties you've highlighted. What is being disputed is your assertion that those difficulties are relevant to your assertion that China won't be able to achieve this.
And the subject of the conversation is a technology that humans have already developed and is in use. So what is it about China/the PRC that would cause you to assert they are incapable of building/employing this technology?
Your argument is that "Hard science doesn't care about politics," so I assume you don't want to imply that you're critiquing the capabilities of China's political system. So what's left? Is it racism? The removed can't achieve what other humans have already proven is possible because the removed is subhuman?
You are making a political statement whether you intend to or not, you don't just get to whine about how you were only talking about the science and why is everyone being so mean when you only started a discussion about the science to reinforce (or deflect from) your original assertion.
Well, except I did not only NOT write that, I even wrote the exact opposite, see: https://programming.dev/comment/5899890
Also, interpreting my messages with your ideologically colored lenses doesn't imply that this thread invites political discourse. I'm sure you'll find many people here willing to vent their frustrations with you in easily ignorable threads of their own.
“Anyone who questions America’s might is insane! I am a normal person!”
Because every single thing must revolve around America, only one thing can be bad at a time, and if I'm not with you I must be against you.
Neutrality is support of the status quo, there are no parties that neither support nor oppose it.
Oh, were we talking about something being bad? I thought we were just having a non-politically tinted discussion about science and technology
I mean, it’s the most powerful empire ever to exist, one built on ongoing slavery and genocide. It’s difficult to find global problems that don’t lead back to the amerikkkan ruling class.
is this your first day on planet earth?
I forgot, it’s only mature intelligent high-IQ adults who lick the boot of slavery and genocide.
I mean, from here I see only one person feeling obliged to bring up:
America
Imperialism
Slavery
Genocide
IQ
boot licking
in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with this, and this person isn't me. So do yourself a favour and go babble with people who care.
Nothing is connected. We are all individual monads floating in a void, our interactions mediated entirely by the market.