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[-] dion_starfire@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You realize that most trans women undergoing HRT have less testosterone in their systems than many of their cisgender competitors, right? Women naturally have some testosterone in their body; if they have PCOS, then they have a lot (in comparison to other cis women). Trans women on HRT take medicine to block testosterone, so while their body might generate the most of all, the amount bioavailable to them after the medicine neutralizes it is less than non-PCOS cis women have. If the sports debate was about testosterone providing an unfair advantage, then we would ban cis women with PCOS from competing, but we don't.

In the case of teenagers, it's even simpler - contrary to propaganda, very very few doctors are willing to put a minor on HRT. Instead, they simply give them puberty blockers to delay the onset of puberty until they're over 18 and can decide for themselves whether to go on HRT or not. So, a 17yo trans girl is developmentally equivalent to a 10yo boy - her muscles are massively under developed compared to any of her cis competitors.

So whether adult or teen, a trans woman winning at sports is not someone with an unfair advantage; rather, it's someone with a massive disadvantage managing to win despite her handicap.

[-] capital@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Is current testosterone the only consideration? Or could having higher testosterone earlier, even though you’re on par with peers now, give you a musculoskeletal advantage?

[-] Kiwi_Girl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 year ago

Bro I'm weak as shit after 1.5 years on HRT. All the musculoskeletal advantage I have is kinda wide shoulders for a girl.

It was genuinely funny how i couldn't do pushups or open jars easily anymore.

[-] capital@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

That’s not a useless anecdote but I was looking more for data on this, if it exists.

I’d also have questions about your ability to build muscle as compared to someone who was assigned female at birth.

As an aside, this is very much outside my area of expertise and if I’ve used the wrong terms during this discussion I’m open to being corrected.

[-] Kiwi_Girl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago

There are some published studies but I won't link them because they are very specific. They tracked thigh or quad muscles specifically. Feel free to look them up though.

Building muscle is a lot more difficult for me. You could politely ask any trans people if you have more questions about transitioning.

Also don't worry about saying the wrong thing, you're all good.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

You have one of the longer comments under this post -

Are you familiar with the lifter from this comment? Hoping for an educated debate, as it’s outside my knowledge area.

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