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[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

And then you suggest clicking hundreds of slices, requiring me to effectively create my own database.

No one suggested anything of the sort. I have no idea how "Simply follow the original link I gave you, select all the groups/data of interest and to format options." translates to hundreds of clicks. Make a click per group of interest (Black women, Hispanic men etc) and export.

Should you need to dig deeper, the BLS makes almost everything available at a high level of detail, e.g., you could drill down to Women in Seafood processing over time. I get that it can be daunting, but that's kind of the tradeoff; they give you access to way more info than you could need but it is up to you to comb through it.

It's not as pretty as Wisqars because this is for people who know what they are doing and looking for. If you are in school, you could ask a librarian to help you and they may be of assistance.

Such as the way we count unemployment

Again, read the definition and tell me specifically what you dislike.

It really just seems like you're insistent on being angry at the BLS because you didn't know how to find the data. Now that you've been shown the data, you don't have the maturity to admit "oh, cool, I didn't know you could grab it that easily."

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Lmao. Wisqars isn't for grown ups. Oh dude. Hold on lemme go tell a bunch of bio phds that. It'll be good for laughs.

Having a more fucked up system isn't some badge of honor. It's not a mark of being better or smarter. It's just laziness, and that's the best interpretation. It's absolutely a case study for obfuscation by inundation.

You haven't shown any easy way to access the information. It's a fucked up search bar that throws hundreds, if not thousands, of slices of information at you. And God forbid you want historical data.

I was just screwing around with it again, to make sure you're actually gaslighting me and the reports it does give have columns with generic names such as "label" and "value". Where label was a date and value was the total number of non farm workers. This is ridiculous. And go look at the site on mobile, just once. You won't need to do it twice. You cannot easily find critical information; the front end itself is a F grade high school project; and the mobile formatting is actually non-existent.

So again. That's not a badge of honor. That's a failure. I want my tax money back.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Lol, mobile? Really? The BLS should configure their website in case you need to assess the state of the economy on the go?!?

Just... Wow. This is about the silliest possible take. I don't remember the last time I read anything quite so utterly ridiculous.

Thank you, I now have the ultimate reference when talking about the stupidity of internet disagreements.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

So you can only access data on desktop computers? That's really the gatekeeping line you're drawing?

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

In terms of BLS priorities? Yeah, ignoring mobile seems pretty reasonable.

"Quick, I need to see seasonally adjusted farmworkers by gender while I'm in line for groceries! For reasons!!!"

Lol

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Sure. That's the exact scenario...

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Okay, I'll bite because this is too funny. What is your scenario where you need detailed, tabular American labour and economics primary source data on the go and google won't suffice?

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

When I'm sitting on the shitter talking to you. Or any time I'm traveling and don't want to bring a whole ass laptop? Formatting for mobile isn't exactly hard. You're not asking for months of work. And data about our economy is exactly the kind of data that needs to be as open as possible.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

I think this is what you are fundamentally misunderstanding. BLS data is for doing actual analysis and is designed people like me who actually work with data can easily grab and compare from a couple dozen highly specialized tables at once. They have tens of thousands of tables and datasets as they track literally the entire economy.

Their website does not and should not sacrifice that just so you can hunt down data while you poop. That's why I asked what sort of question requires primary source data rather than google. What question do you imagine answering on your phone that google couldn't handle? (Or, that the BLS' "top data" section couldn't handle?)

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Oh only for the blessed? Everyone else doesn't matter? No one else deserves to know what's going on? When you could just hook up a report generator?

How are you okay with being spoon fed information instead of pulling your own reports if you're a researcher? Seriously I've never met a researcher who was happy to let other people slice their data. And all of this of defense of them not doing a bog standard query generator. They could still cut the crust off your bread for you. It's not an either/or situation. And it's certainly not the standard in any other academic field.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

What serious researcher is doing said serious research on their phone!?!?! Are you high?

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