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Meh, I can disagree with him about things like Israel-Palestine foreign policy and still agree with him about other important stuff. No human is going to have the exact same views that I have.
I agree with his pushes for universal healthcare and destigmatizing incredibly common mental health diagnoses.
Statistically speaking, a lot more people in elected office suffer from depression, anxiety, or something else, but no one else talks about it.
This isn't like, disagreeing on gun control. He wore the fucking Israel flag like a cape while reports are coming out that they're dropping JDAMs on children. I don't care what his struggles are, he's advocating for something so transparently heinous that his 'temperate' views are worthless.
I don't care how good Graduation was by Kanye, he's racist. I don't care how good Hitler's paintings are, he started a holocaust. There's "polite disagreement" and "advocating for war crimes".
But he isn’t advocating for war crimes. He’s not out there cheering them on. I’m sure like many people he wishes they were far more surgical in their strikes.
Israel is committing blatant and obvious war crimes and he's stalwartly defending them.
Israel has admitted they have removed or are not using the targeting kits for their bombs. They are purposefully taking out entire city blocks and being indiscriminate with their bombs. When you don't care about civilian casualties because they're of a specific group, that's a genocide. This is very straightforward.
Defending the people who dropped white phos is what normal rational adults have called advocating war crimes since the invention of the term.
Only if you redefine defending and advocating?
Yes, which is what you are doing.
How so?
It's more than Israel. He's either taken the left for a ride or he's decided he's gotten what he needed and doesn't need to side with progressives anymore on a number of issues. https://nypost.com/2023/12/15/news/fetterman-insists-hes-not-a-progressive-despite-frequently-calling-himself-one/
Thank you! Good gravy, when will people finally get this through their thick skulls? Politics and beliefs are not, and never will be, an all or nothing thing.
Alright then you wouldn't mind a little piss in your cereal, yeah? The whole bowl isn't piss, it's just a little bit. Cereal will never be an all or nothing thing so take a fucking bite.
Or can a little bit of something be so revolting you get rid of it all? Fucking hell.
Dude. You need to live in reality. You think all voters believe in and advocate for the same things?
No one wants piss in their cereal, but guess what? You’ll get it anyway. Just vote for how much.
I've always been voting for the least pissed in cereal but the difference is you're telling me it's fine and I'm telling you it's not fine.
Submitting to the idea that there will always be piss in your cereal is a dark reality I refuse to accept.
The problem with your analogy is for you it’s piss, but a reasonable person who’s actually fairly close to you ideologically can come to a different conclusion. But you both like cereal, and maybe that’s more important.
It's a genocide and he's supporting it. Yes, the analogy isn't perfect but trying to pick it apart now is just semantics. He is defending the indefensible and by doing so joins the fascists and zionists who want nothing more than Palestine to be glassed to make way for Jewish settlers. This isn't a game of Civilization, I don't give a shit if Hamas gave them a Casus Belli, this is genocide and it's sickening.
The slaughter of children is worse than piss in my cereal. Why is it not worse for you?
I think they call that a straw man.
Actually they call it the current situation in gaza
Enjoy never having any representation, I guess.
Why would I want a genocide supporter to represent me? I'll vote for the least stinky sack of shit but stop trying to convince me it's not shit in that sack. Bernie was the closest thing to someone I'd be willing to claim represents me since I got into politics.
There are plenty of non child killers who can hold office. Fucked of you to imply otherwise
When the child killer’s opposition have this as their main strategy, I’m a bit more sympathetic to the child killers. And the context of this conversation is dropping support for representation if they don’t have all the views that align with you. It’s not about the Israel/Palestine conflict. So please don’t try the Think of the Children crap on me - it’s not relevant to this discussion.
Human beings are fucking dying you psychopath. They are not attacking military locations, they are slaughtering journalists in civilian zones they designate as safe and pushed the civilians into, and they are using war crime grade toxins like white phos.
What the fuck is wrong with you linking a fucking comic book page like this is some fucking joke?
E: insane that this loser is defending a genocide and open war crimes with "but war is bad, we gotta!"
More (faux?) moral outrage… why should I be surprised. Though I do like how you just sidestepped addressing my first sentence’s point and just spew out more Bad Things one side is doing. Bad things happen in war - surprise. It’s the reason why war’s the last resort option for getting your way.
Now try to think about why it got pushed to this point. Hint; it’s not because Israel is a mustache twirling villain. Another hint: it’s more complicated than the .ml articles paint a view of. I’ll trust the people whose job it is to understand these things rather than lemmings who get fed propaganda and pretend they have all the black/white answers.