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U.S. oil production has hit a record under Biden, but he seldom mentions it.
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That's still a bad reason to increase the speed at which we're killing ourselves.
It's a great reason until there's an alternative. As long as voters look to gas prices for their votes, taking action that raises them is politically toxic.
Meanwhile leftists are literally criticizing the Biden administration for high gas prices' impact on the working class.
You want to change it? Let's change it. Starting with activists.
Which leftists are these? I’ve yet to run into them.
I still haven’t been able to decipher what kinds of activists you’re alluding to.
Progressive liberals I guess? The Hill, Mar. ’22: Gas prices lead to tensions within Democratic Party
We are out of time.
that's not an answer. sure go ahead and kill oil production, make gas prices high and give trump the presidency again. see how that works out for the environment.
I mean. It's the only answer. You cant see the dominos start to fall like they have this year and decide "let's pump more oil and maybe some Conservatives will vote for me over trump". It's too late and it was too late 10 years ago. This isn't just a US problem. This is global societal breakdown in the next 10 - 20 years.
of course you can. the demand for oil/gas will be there regardless, people aren't all going to stop driving ICE cars just because Biden cut all US oil production. it's political suicide, not just for Biden but for US environmental policy in general.
So on we March to our doom.
Economic collapse is not an answer to anything. Let alone "the only answer".
All it does is highlight how big of a threat environmentalists are to society
the economy is already collapsing. for us that is.
also oil only means collapse because they made it mandatory.
No it's not
are you rich?
Are you?
nope, thats how i know that in fact, the economy isnt going well.
the few who benefit from the line going up are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
You didn't say it's not going well. You said it's collapsing. It's not collapsing, and Rather than back it up you change the subject.
The economy is not collapsing
you have a very different definition than me of collapse then.
the amount of hunger and homelessness going on configures a collapse, just not for the rich who defines whether or not things are going well.
Poverty is at the lowest level now then it ever has been under human history. You have capitalism to thank for that. The economy is doing just fine, it's not going anywhere. We're just in a dip as we recover from the economic attacks we were subjected to by public health
thats simply delusional. take a good look at literally anywhere outside your 1st world bubble. capitalism sponsored the biggest transfer of wealth from poor countries to rich ones and a handful of genocides. good things happen despite it, not because of it.
hell if a natural health emergency can put it to this knees that easily maybe we should rethink how we are running the worlds econony. things changed in the past and will continue to do so.
it easy to say poverty has declined when your definition of poverty still has motherfuckers struggling, and your definition of a healthy economy is unprecedented inequality.
im not wasting my time here any further.
Poverty has objectively declined. We must work to preserve capitalism against the attacks waged on it by those who want to bring us back to the ages of widespread poverty
we must destroy capitalism before it literally destroys the planet bro. thats ignoring all the death it has purposefully caused and will still cause.
but i digress, im not arguing with a zealot.
We must destroy those who seek to destroy us. Which is what destroying capitalism does by proxy
Lmao. You should look up where all the poverty reductions of the last 10 years were. It wasn’t in the west.
The slowest will be the first to go.
Yeah the slowest environmentalists are the biggest threats to society too
Yeah man, it's the environmentalists you gotta look out for, what with their wanting harmony among nature. I bet you're fucking terrified of antifa too lmao.
Economic collapse may be the best answer. Endless production and consumption of goods may make people have material improvements to their lives but it is... excessive.
What good is a dick sucking machine when humanity has driven 70% of species to extinction? Fuck humanity.
When ecological collapse kills off 70+% of the human population, you may be really wanting that dick sucking machine....
I would be celebrating a direct win for the planet's other life.
not when the opposition would increase the speed even more.
Cmon guys you're both pretty, lets accept that were doomed and vote Big Asteroid 2024
Really though vote now for the chance to vote again, not that it fucking matters because we're 40 years late to taking any corrective action, but I'd like to vote again
So business as usual. We were doomed 20 years ago, when we could have had a fighting chance.
not exactly business as usual. Biden is doing more than most presidents have. Not enough, but also not nothing. But the fact is not enough will ever be done until public opinion drastically changes.
Biden signed off on a record number of new oil projects, it's not business as usual, it's business is accelerating as usual. Environment be dammed
there's more to the topic than oil which is a necessary evil for the time being. or would you rather be beholden to OPEC and the Middle East?
but sure, let's go ahead and ignore everything else.
Right. Kill ourselves slowly.
We're not killing ourselves
We most assuredly are.
No we are not
K lol have you heard of the limits to growth?
We're not killing ourselves
I mean we actively are. Who told you were not lol? Are we burning coal and oil?
We're my killing ourselves
K