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[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Can you reword that?

The Native Americans are generally considered "the good guys" and clearly lost.

[-] Okokimup@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Modern sensibilities see them as the good guys, but for most of colonial history they were painted as the bad guys. Kids played cowboys and Indians the same way they played cops and robbers.

[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 12 points 10 months ago

And of course we now know that cops are worse than robbers and so the wheel of progress keeps turning!

[-] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Native American oral history portrays some initial contact and treaties as mutually amicable, the Treaty of Niagara for example, and there's a common sentiment that returning to original treaties could be a good thing. Also common knowledge now but they weren't just a group of people but many nations. The "wise native" trope and the notion they were like peaceful hippies who lived easy lives with nature are arguably positive racist stereotypes.

The westward expansion and "free real estate" project of settlement is where things turned, and the new capitalist economic order taking hold. It wasn't all a violent takeover either, there were very mundane layers of land leasing and real estate issues happening as well.

[-] NoiseColor@startrek.website 0 points 10 months ago

Strangely you have misunderstood my comment. It was clearly meant about the saying that history is written by the winners. There is no saying that winners are the good guys.

Even more strangely you are not the only one. I can only surmise that people are really itching to get offended by something. Or do you think it's something else?

[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

I find your comment offensive to people who are easily offended. Also, I think you're sheeple. Do your own research. The media is lying to you.

[-] NoiseColor@startrek.website -2 points 10 months ago

Strangely you have misunderstood my comment. It was clearly meant about the saying that history is written by the winners. There is no saying that winners are the good guys.

Even more strangely you are not the only one. I can only surmise that people are really itching to get offended by something. Or do you think it's something else?

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