Going from Persona to the mainline SMT games is rough. Persona is basically a much easier version of SMT, but is also much more popular. So lots of Persona players enjoyed the game, wanted more, and looked into SMT. But then they’re dismayed to find out how goddamned difficult the main games can be.

Nocturne fans are a lot like Morrowind fans; They hate the modern gameplay mechanics and yearn for the “good ol days” when JRPGs were hard as nails and hid even the basic mechanics from you. But you can also become overpowered as hell you play the game the “right” way. And for Nocturne fans, being good at the difficult game is a point of pride.

If you can accept the fact that they’re grindfests that are built like old school JRPGs, then you’ll probably have a decent time. But they can absolutely be obtuse and brutal if you’re just expecting more Persona.

If you’re looking for something in between, try Persona 3. It’s getting remade soon so I can’t speak on that, but the PlayStation version (P3 FES) is fantastic. It takes longer than other Persona games to get started, (seriously, the story takes several hours to get off the ground,) but it’s a lot like the later Persona games, while only being marginally more difficult.

If you hate the lack of party controls, (you can only issue general commands to party members in FES) then maybe you’ll want to check out P3 Portable instead. It adds direct commands (and the option of a female main character) to the game. It has a slightly different UI, (the daytime gameplay is more like an interactive comic,) which turned a lot of players away. But the story remains the same (with a few exceptions if you pick the FeMC) and the addition of direct commands is a great modernization.