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submitted 10 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

When the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, it claimed to be removing the judiciary from the abortion debate. In reality, it simply gave the courts a macabre new task: deciding how far states can push a patient toward death before allowing her to undergo an emergency abortion.

On Tuesday, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit offered its own answer, declaring that Texas may prohibit hospitals from providing “stabilizing treatment” to pregnant patients by performing an abortion—withholding the procedure until their condition deteriorates to the point of grievous injury or near-certain death.

The ruling proves what we already know: Roe’s demise has transformed the judiciary into a kind of death panel that holds the power to elevate the potential life of a fetus over the actual life of a patient.

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago

Maybe so, but the war against abortion isn't based on religious texts. It was ginned up by pieces of shit who tied it to the bible artificially by painting a complex issue as a black and white case of "murder". Which is bullshit to anyone remotely understanding of reality.

[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

It may not be directly tied to religious works. However, religion is being used to prop it up, as usual. I still agree that people can practice what they wish, though I'm beginning to feel strongly that religion is a plague and we'd be better off without it. Yet, I suppose, evil fools would just find something else to cower behind.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

That's pretty close to how I feel about it too.

[-] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

In religion's defense, many religions are also being used to prop up pro-choice. It just so happens 2 or 3 of the largest religions are very outspoken so the rest of them are getting ignored.

Stealing from Pew, almost all of Judaism, Universalism, and many of the major non-evangelical protestant religions are pro-choice. Even Islam is largely "limited pro-choice". If I had to guess, the majority of religions weighted by adherents are either morally pro-abortion-rights, or at least pro-choice due to lack of mandate otherwise.

...if we look back at the US Civil War, the Christian churches fell on both sides of the Slavery argument fairly consistently, basically based on what their constituents wanted to hear.

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

Most of religion isn't based on religious texts. The texts are just the marketing material. Once you're inside they're largely ignored.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Well I don't know about "most" but you've got a point

[-] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If you insist on that, secular society is also a religion. As is regional atheism.

People don't hate abortion because they're afraid of God. They hate abortion because their parents and teachers taught them to. Yes, some religions help propogate societal behaviors, but they are not solely, or even primarily responsible for them.

Honestly, just look at the way Catholic Priests in conservative areas have been largely rejecting Rome on anything that isn't radically conservative despite claiming to inheret their morals from Rome. Or more starkly, just look at the undying history of sedevacantism.

[-] Srh@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago
[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

They're wrong though. They pulled that shit out of their ass.

[-] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I mean, with asterisks? The Catholics only get away with that because they reject Sola Scriptura, and sometimes treat some of the words of their Church Fathers as "the next best thing". Even then, they've gone back and forth on abortion (and largely treated it as a minor issue) until only the last few centuries.

...but along those lines, I've never really seen a Catholic argument against abortion try to lean too heavily on Biblical sources. Because they know they'd lose.

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