851
submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by Critical_Insight@feddit.uk to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world

That massive spike of 50c/kWh at the left looks tiny compared to today even though that's already insanely expensive

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[-] alvvayson@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Interesting.

At these temperatures, I can't imagine air source heat pumps being very efficient.

I would probably have a spare gas, oil or wood based heater and use that for days like this, or for if the power goes off on days like this.

[-] Zaros@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Older houses definitely have them... but there was this trend at some point to renavate older houses and remove the oil heaters and fireplaces and wood heated saunas, and replace everything with electric ones. Why? No idea, trends are weird.

[-] psud@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Electricity is usually less polluting than the various fuels, wood fires especially will fill a valley with smoke, the rest are mostly to avoid the carbon dioxide

[-] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

Carbon monoxide too... and chimney fires... don't forget about indoor emissions with open stoves... Even if you don't care about the environment, electric wins the health&safety race by a landslide. Forgetting to do the maintenance on a heat pump doesn't exactly carry the same risks as with a wood stove.

Heat pumps are expensive and electricity can vary in price (who in their right mind opts in to spot pricing without on-site power generation tho, what the hell). Still, it's not hard to see why everyone who can afford it is electrifying.

[-] psud@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Also Russian fossil fuels

[-] Bronzie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

Newer models are actually.
We had negative 30 C the last two days and our air-to-air kept the whole upper floor comfortable. 90 m².

Granted it's a brand new and very well insulated house, but -30 bites well on those too!

Most houses up here have other electric alternatives or a fireplace.
Gas and oil are beyond abnormal to have and I think oil is even illegal in Norway now...
Don't quote me on that though

[-] alvvayson@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Wow, air to air even?

But do you know what the COP is at -30?

[-] Bronzie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

Here is a link to it

I must make a small correction though: The last night with -30 it struggled a bit. Only managed to keep the upper floor at 19 °C so we had to turn on the cables to get over the peak.
I'm still mightily impressed by it though!
Max consumption was 32 kW/day, so roughly 4-5 € pr/day with our prices.

[-] qaz@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

What about a solar + electric heating?

[-] Linssiili@sopuli.xyz 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Well, here (in middle of finland) the sun set at 14:30, so there wasn't all that much solar energy available.

Also heat pumps are always at least as efficient as straight electric heating.

[-] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 10 months ago

It think above -20C or so, cold weather heat pumps are still way more efficient than resistive electric heating.

Good R-factor insulation is probably the most important upgrade in OP’s case. There are people where I live in the Northeast who heat their homes almost exclusively with the waste heat from cooking, electronics or old incandescent lighting. They have like R-30+ homes and really neat ventilation designs for cooling in the summer too.

I had plans to build a tiny home with Vacuum insulated panels and a small marine stove for heat, until we had a child and plans changed.

Now I’m looking at a solar battery setup with geothermal heat pump that will probably cost nearly what the whole tiny home was gonna be.

[-] DanglingFury@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Solar is quite poor in Northern winters. Wind + solar + heat would be a better bet, but the battery required to heat your house for more than a day with low winds would be prohibitively expensive unless you added geothermal to the mix like a geothermal heatpump which is also very expensive. Betweem the gear, battery, geothermal, all installed your probably in the 80k$ range or more. A wood stove would be the best bet

[-] 018118055@sopuli.xyz 3 points 10 months ago

Finland has about 5.2GW of wind capacity vs 4.3 nuclear. If it's a windy day the spot price will usually be low.

[-] DanglingFury@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Good point, for aome reason i was thinking more off-grid than load balancing economics. The battery would probably help lower power by filling when power is cheap and supplying when the rates spike throughout the day

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 10 months ago

Heat pumps only work to about -4c.

this post was submitted on 05 Jan 2024
851 points (98.6% liked)

Mildly Infuriating

35370 readers
1884 users here now

Home to all things "Mildly Infuriating" Not infuriating, not enraging. Mildly Infuriating. All posts should reflect that.

I want my day mildly ruined, not completely ruined. Please remember to refrain from reposting old content. If you post a post from reddit it is good practice to include a link and credit the OP. I'm not about stealing content!

It's just good to get something in this website for casual viewing whilst refreshing original content is added overtime.


Rules:

1. Be Respectful


Refrain from using harmful language pertaining to a protected characteristic: e.g. race, gender, sexuality, disability or religion.

Refrain from being argumentative when responding or commenting to posts/replies. Personal attacks are not welcome here.

...


2. No Illegal Content


Content that violates the law. Any post/comment found to be in breach of common law will be removed and given to the authorities if required.

That means: -No promoting violence/threats against any individuals

-No CSA content or Revenge Porn

-No sharing private/personal information (Doxxing)

...


3. No Spam


Posting the same post, no matter the intent is against the rules.

-If you have posted content, please refrain from re-posting said content within this community.

-Do not spam posts with intent to harass, annoy, bully, advertise, scam or harm this community.

-No posting Scams/Advertisements/Phishing Links/IP Grabbers

-No Bots, Bots will be banned from the community.

...


4. No Porn/ExplicitContent


-Do not post explicit content. Lemmy.World is not the instance for NSFW content.

-Do not post Gore or Shock Content.

...


5. No Enciting Harassment,Brigading, Doxxing or Witch Hunts


-Do not Brigade other Communities

-No calls to action against other communities/users within Lemmy or outside of Lemmy.

-No Witch Hunts against users/communities.

-No content that harasses members within or outside of the community.

...


6. NSFW should be behind NSFW tags.


-Content that is NSFW should be behind NSFW tags.

-Content that might be distressing should be kept behind NSFW tags.

...


7. Content should match the theme of this community.


-Content should be Mildly infuriating.

-At this time we permit content that is infuriating until an infuriating community is made available.

...


8. Reposting of Reddit content is permitted, try to credit the OC.


-Please consider crediting the OC when reposting content. A name of the user or a link to the original post is sufficient.

...

...


Also check out:

Partnered Communities:

1.Lemmy Review

2.Lemmy Be Wholesome

3.Lemmy Shitpost

4.No Stupid Questions

5.You Should Know

6.Credible Defense


Reach out to LillianVS for inclusion on the sidebar.

All communities included on the sidebar are to be made in compliance with the instance rules.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS