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I see you're operating under the misunderstanding that only women have to take time off of work to care for children. Or maybe you just think that somehow women are having babies all by themselves without men at all.
WOMEN DON'T HAVE BABIES, FAMILIES HAVE BABIES. EVERY PERSON DESERVES THE HUMAN DIGNITY OF BEING ALLOWED TO CARE FOR THEIR CHILDREN.
I'm sorry for yelling, but it's a fucking important. You're backwards thinking is a key failure of capitalism and a shining example of toxic masculinity.
We have national maternity leave here, but I recently worked at a company that gave the father 4 months off to be used however they wanted over the next year after their child was born. Was really heartwarming to see them give that extra benefit to help him spend time with the new family.
So you're saying everyone should be hired with the expectation that they will receive months of paid leave for having a child?
Nothing about this is 'toxic masculinity.' It's how the working world works, lol. You'll understand that when you're older.
We're saying that entire societies benefit from having parents spend early months/years with their young children. Because society as a whole profits from that activity, that activity should be subsidized by the government.
And I promise I'm at least as old as you
I think it's fine raising taxes on the wealthy so working folks can stay at home with their families.
My issue is that requiring employers to do that means that it's impossible to start a business if you don't already have a lot of excess capital and an established customer base.
Can Google do it? Absolutely.
Can an average food truck do it? Absolutely not.
If your employer can't afford to give new parents leave, then one way or another you are being exploited for somebody else's profit.
What exactly is your point? That every business who can't afford to pay employees who aren't working shouldn't get to operate? Just go ahead and say it, unless you're afraid it's a stupid idea and you're purposefully avoiding admitting it for this reason.
That's how you're literally only left with big name companies like Google and Amazon.
If your business cannot support the basic operating costs of the humans it employs, it has no value to society. It's a parasite that feeds off the welfare spending of the state to enrich it's owner.
True, but businesses have proven that humans don't need months off with pay for having children.
The solution of course is having a payroll type tax that funds parental leave. Everyone pays in, and the government pays out so companies, large and small, don't have to deal with the issue you're talking about. I'd like my employer to have zero say in things like this, unless they want to go above and beyond. Same for healthcare. Let companies be companies, and let's use taxes to find societal needs
Pretty much every regulation like this has a minimum busi ness size it applies to, for exactly this reason
If the government is paying for it I am all in.
Having businesses pay for it will just result in less women getting good jobs.
Alternatively we can go for mandated parental leave for both parents (not at the same time), which evens out the playing field between genders, men get to spend more time with their infants, and hiring women has no inherent disadvantage for businesses. There are countries in europe going for that - every other solution i can think of leads to a disadvantage for women.
Agreed.
I'm older. I have kids. I saw the value of getting time off as a father and wished it could have been more. I actually had better time off benefits than my wife though which is pretty disgraceful. No it shouldn't be on a business to fund families but it is on society as a whole to policy each other up. Like many, many other things, other countries have figured this out and America is WAY behind.
When my kids were born, I was able to take one week. It came out of my vacation time and I got very little time with my kid, due to the effing mother-in-law who apparently had priority over the Dad. I wish for everyone to meet their kids better than that, both in regards to time off and less toxic maternity
Okay. My point is that expecting and requiring every business to be able to pay employees who aren't working for months at a time is asinine.