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The point is, it won’t move the needle, and lots of us don’t think the merely should move up. Continued population grown is what concerns me, which is what is actually happening (no decline). We can’t just keep moving earth overshoot day up.
You need to take a closer look at the long term population data. Sure, some of places that can least afford it continue to grow unsustainably, but essentially all developed countries have a birth rate below replacement levels. We’re still growing because previous generations are still with us, but as the bubble passes, we’re all on track for serious declines, if nothing changes. I’m all for making changes now while they’re insignificant.
Note the US is also on this track for sudden population decline but is still growing due to immigration. For all you who want to restrict immigration more, this is our future, this is what will keep us from declining like most of Europe and Asia. Immigration also should be encouraged
Population decline is now a similar place that climate change was in the 1970’s. We know what’s going on and it’s not too serious yet, but some of us are sounding an alarm. do we have the foresight to address it while it’s easy or are we going to wait until it’s critical/irreversible?
We literally had half the number of people on this planet 50 years ago. We had one quarter less than 100 years ago. The problem is overshoot, not too few people now. Serious decline is what we need.
malthusianism is next to eugenics
I disagree. You honestly think we can keep growing to eternity?
>You honestly think we can keep growing to eternity
I didn't say that
I don’t say you did. Just following your logic. And you agree we cannot grow forever. So when should we stop? You think we can’t stop now without dire consequences. But some future generation has to. So, who gets to face the consequences that you want to avoid for yourself?
>who gets to face the consequences that you want to avoid for yourself?
you're making assumptions
I’m all ears
all I want to avoid is eugenics. I don't know what vague"consequences"you're referencing.
I’m not advocating eugenics. Where did I say only certain people should reproduce and others shouldn’t? Who is putting words into people’s mouths now? I’m done with you.
I'm pointing out that malthusianism is next to eugenics.
>I’m done with you.
thank God
>You think we can’t stop now without dire consequences
I didn't say that
That seems to be what you are saying.
literally putting words in my mouth. what I'm saying is that malthusianism is next to eugenics.
>some future generation has to
not necessarily
Why not?
technological advanced are unpredictable. we could develop something that brings about effectively the end of scarcity.
>Just following your logic.
wrong
Feel free to explain. You say population decline (something which has yet to start) is a major problem that needs reversed, correct? So we need to grow faster? But you admit we can’t grow forever. So when should we stop growing?
>You say population decline (something which has yet to start) is a major problem
I didn't say that at all.
>you admit we can’t grow forever.
I never said that.
So which is it. You said the same thing when I asked if we can keep growing forever.
I suspended judgement on both those claims
don't be petulant