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Biden’s first 2024 campaign ad highlights threats to US democracy
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I think you again stopped reading mid sentence. You are describing the federal trial. And you are confusing arresting with sentencing. For many crimes, especially violent ones (which, considering 5 deaths and over a hundred injured, I'd say this qualifies), arresting is actually the first step, to make sure no one else is endangered while the legal process goes on. Again, the DoJ has the authority to arrest, charge, and prosecute for federal crimes. And prosecute does not mean sentencing, it does not mean the DoJ gets to find anyone guilty themselves, they bring them to trial and make the case, they try to prove that the person committed the crime, and it's up to judge or jury to decide to find them guilty or innocent. That is what prosecution means.
Yes, and the people directly responsible for that violence were arrested as quickly as they could be identified and located. It's like you simply refuse to accept that assigning culpability is not so straightforward when it's several degrees removed. Mens rea in a criminal conspiracy requires an overt act to commit a crime, and the overt act must be verified, else a charge wouldn't be provable in court. And no DA in the country would arrest someone that high profile in such a complicated case without gathering evidence, interviewing witnesses, crossing t's, and dotting i's:
I don't know what world you live in where the DOJ can simply act like John Fucking Wayne whenever it wants, but these are career prosecutors, and thankfully they're not dumb enough to try to lock up the kingpin before closing the net around the underlings and making sure the case is ironclad.
Yeah theyre handling this case so meticulously that the defendent will be in position to fire the prosecutor because they took so long. Its already creating a trainwreck with state level democrats trying to remove his election eligibility before theres any convictions. I bet you those cases are gonna make their way to the supreme court a hell of a lot faster than any charge against Trump ever has.
The. DoJ. Should. Not. Consider. Political. Implications. When. Pursuing. A. Criminal. Trial.
Full fucking stop. The moment they start speeding shit up because it might be affected by or affect an election, is the minute we become a banana republic. The DoJ is NOT, nor should it ever be, a political weapon.
I think the only reason its taken this long is some fumbled political strategy to try to distract trump from campaign season. They werent gathering evidence for 3 years, theyll be as prepared for this case no better than if they charged him 3 months after the crime. What evidence would they not have by then?
Corroborating witnesses and guilty pleas. Honestly, dude. Have you not ever spoken with an actual lawyer in your life? You can't possibly be this clueless.
Witnesses? The whole thing was filmed! Everyone watched Trump rally his followers to march on the capital and "fight like hell", where news crews were already stationed. We've had an insanely extensive breakdown on the attack for a long time now.
You have literally no idea how criminal conspiracy or mens rea work. Jesus fucking christ dude. I'm so glad people like you aren't in charge, or Trump would walk after a 2-day trial and 4 minutes of jury deliberation. I honestly can't even figure out how to start explaining how shittily informed you are.