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At first this article reads like your typical anti-piracy screed. It rants about how 10x more people watched GoT illegally (confusing them with lost sales) and ends with how downloading movies can get your credit card stolen.

The middle of the article however, destroys the author's case.

Time Warner (owning company of HBO) CEO Alan Bewkes stated in 2013 how becoming the most illegally streamed show in history was “better than an Emmy” and that torrenting ultimately led to more paid subscriptions.

“We’ve been dealing with this for 20, 30 years—people sharing subs, running wires down the backs of apartment buildings. Our experience is that it leads to more paying subs. I think you’re right that Game of Thrones is the most pirated show in the world and that’s better than an Emmy.”

The CEO of Time Warner, who knows more about the finances of his own show than ForeverGeek writer Tom Llewellyn, championed piracy and said that it brought them more subscribers rather than nearly destroying the show as the article claims.

Needless to say, Tom forwent a rebuttal in favor of writing how you can get malware from downloading it...

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[-] squaresinger@feddit.de 68 points 1 year ago

As evidenced by the brief moment in history when Netflix was all that and it drove video piracy all but to extinction.

[-] ashok36@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

This is the case still with Spotify, apple music, deezer, etc... Multiple services with few if any exclusives means almost all music piracy has stopped. Somehow, the record companies continue to survive.

I think we're going to start to see music services going that way soon, for the first time I've started to see that songs in my primary play list are now not available in my region.

I admit I dont know what songs yet, am on a road trip at the moment, but it makes me worry that it's going to get worse.

[-] Ugetsu@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

That´s so insane, right? I mean, they practically had us in the bag with netflix. People either had their own account or chipped in to use someone elses one BUT EITHER WAY, THEY PAID FOR IT! And then came one of the rare moments where more competition was actually bad.

[-] pinchcramp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago

I think with digital content platforms in general, competition means more headaches for customers.

The store front/streaming service is not what people sign up for, but the access to a certain movie, show or game. If the catalog of all available pieces of content gets scattered across multiple services you now have to use multiple apps, pay multiple subscription fees and search through multiple catalogs.

I'd say from a customer's perspective, increased competition lead to a worse situation.

[-] squaresinger@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago

The thing here is that, for the most part, it's not actually competition, but a collection of monopolies.

You want to watch show X? You have to go to the streaming service that has the monopoly on show X. It you want to watch that show, in many cases you can't just substitute it for a different show.

If you have five stores selling all sorts of food, then that's competition. If you instead have a butcher, a baker, a candy shop, a dairy shop and a fruits/vegetable shop, that's splitting the turf. You can't just substitute the ground beef for your burgers with skittles, because the butcher is more expensive than the candy shop.

Caveat to this argument: If you really don't care about what you watch, then these different streaming services really are interchangable competitors and then the competition is good, because e.g. a shared Disney+ account is much cheaper than the now-non-shareable Netflix account.

[-] Ugetsu@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, It´s kinda fucked up since normally, competition is good for the customer. It´s a good thing to have different stores you can go to. It´s a cood thing to have different car or moobile phone brands to chose from.

With streaming though, I can´t really think of any real world situation where the customer actually is worse off with more variety to chose from.

[-] willeypete23@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

It's not the competition that's bad! It's the anti competitive laws that allowed it to spoil. Companies saw how profitable Netflix was and pulled their shows from the platform to artificially create a reason for consumers to use their own shitty services. Netflix was no longer able to purchase those titles.

[-] Ugetsu@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

What does this have to do with laws though? I find it pretty reasonable for a film company to be able or allowed to run their own streaming platform and just not sell their shows to say netflix. If I create something that I want to sell my self, in my own store, there should be no law forcing me to also hand it over to that supermarket down the streat to sell it there. And if I want to charge a monthly fee for even being able to enter my own little store, that should also not be prohibited.

Imagine there would be a law that said, every studio would also have to sell their stuff to netflix. You think, Netflix wouldn´t immediately abuse this power to drive any competition out of business?

Don´t get me wrong, I HATE that to be able to watch all the stuff I might be interrested in, I´d have to subscribe to like 5 different services. I just don´t see how laws would be a good tool to deal with that.

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