[Meta] Admins (not mods) here are already swinging around the content-removal-hammer (bookwormstory.social)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by neshura@bookwormstory.social to c/anime@lemmy.ml

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Check the modlog for proof, a discussion post about moving this instance to an instance that shan't be named now got removed for "linking to instance featuring pedo content".

Ironically that exact possibility was reason for the discussion in the first place so seeing it happen this quickly is a bit funny.

Not sure how best to go about linking to said instance since it seems to get your content removed. DM's would be the only solution I guess but not sure if those are checked as well.

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[-] How_Sway@lemmy.ml -3 points 10 months ago

All they've removed is a post that linked to an instance that they had de-federated from. They haven't really taken off any anime related content from the time I've been here so claiming it's content removal hammer is overblown. I also don't agree with the migration to the other instance. This is the largest anime community by far on lemmy, it's where most new users will migrate to and other than not having access to Shinobu, there has been little to no signs of being censored or anything.

[-] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago

In my opinion, the migration is sensible because:

You need to know a topic decently enough to be able to moderate a community about it. And yet it's unreasonable to expect the admins of lemmy.ml - a community about free/open source and privacy - to know about anime.
There's no inherent reason why this comm is the largest anime comm in Lemmy. It's simply that this comm is three years old, from a time when "Lemmy" was mostly just lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml, there was no other place in Lemmy to discuss anime.
Lemmy as a whole benefits from redirecting traffic from larger instances to smaller ones. Specially instances unrelated to politics and tech. In fact, lemmy.ml's admins asked users to use other instances not too long ago.

[-] ram@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

Communities are best served by an instance more tailored to their content. General instances are good and convenient for people new to the platform, but they're dangerous to communities. Think of all the beehaw.org communities that are effectively quarantined from .world users. Not that defederation is wrong, in fact I'm a huge supporter of defederation as a whole. But putting relevant content onto a more relevant instance will ensure that the community will be more likely accessible, broadly, to users regardless of defederation.

If .ml wishes to not have anime content, that's entirely their prerogative. It's important, then, that anime be moved to somewhere that is is welcome, or else those in the community may find themselves without a community at any given time.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

You need to know a topic decently enough to be able to moderate a community about it. And yet it's unreasonable to expect the admins of lemmy.ml - a community about free/open source and privacy - to know about anime.

This is what mods are for. The sleight-of-hand is silly and obvious.

[-] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

Not just the mods. Admins can (and should) also moderate content in their instances, specially when it comes to the global rules. And it's clear that lemmy.ml admins want to do so, otherwise this thread wouldn't exist on first place.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

Yeah, but the admins, as the thread has shown, are mainly reining in violations of sitewide policy. Instance rules are mainly the job of mods.

[-] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

Yeah, but the admins, as the thread has shown, are mainly reining in violations of sitewide policy. Instance rules are mainly the job of mods.

So the admins are reining in violations of lemmy.ml-wide policy... while lemmy.ml rules are mainly the job of the mods??? Congratulations, that's the dumbest thing that I've read today.

Couple the above with the backpedalling (from "This is what mods are for." to "Instance rules are mainly the job of mods."; emphasis on "mainly") - a sleight of hand, while lying that I was the one using a sleight of hand - and I'm led to the conclusion that you have nothing meaningful to add to this discussion, and can be safely ignored as dead weight and noise.

Unlike the above, does anyone here have any decent counter-argument against "migrating this comm to that other instance would be sensible"?

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

while lemmy.ml rules are mainly the job of the mods??? Congratulations, that's the dumbest thing that I've read today.

Comm rules exist in addition to instance rules. You know, like those where "knowing about anime" etc. might actually carry some importance. Your rush to do an own has left you speaking complete nonsense.

[-] Susaga@ttrpg.network 13 points 10 months ago

People come here because it's big. It's big because people come here.

What if we went over there? What if we made the one over there big? Big, and entirely under the control of actual fans of anime who don't dismiss the entire medium as porn, I might add. Wouldn't that be better?

[-] neshura@bookwormstory.social 10 points 10 months ago

I think some people have stockholm from how anime communities were treated on reddit and don't realize that they can get a whole lot less censorship than that. I think it's in everyone's best interest if we move this last piece over. The lemmy.ml admins (at least in part) don't want us here and people coming here likely don't want the same bs censorship that was on reddit. Always ducking your head because getting noticed means half the content of the month gets hammered wasn't fun on reddit and if possible I'd like this to be a better experience than that.

[-] zabadoh@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

Actually according to the modlog, some "mod" removed for "Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete • Gushing over Magical Girls - Episode 1 discussion" citing Rule 3 "No Porn"

I mean the show is risque, but we're starting to see nipples on Hollywood red carpets these days...

"mod" being in quotes because of the uncertainty elsewhere in this post...

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I mean the show is risque, but

If there's an "uncensored" version* because of the nudity, it probably qualifies as soft porn, all the more when a portion of the cast are minors (as the Wikipedia summary suggests they are). This doesn't strike me as a hill worth dying on.

*It's been trending on 9anime

[-] neshura@bookwormstory.social 5 points 10 months ago

It really isn't the largest though, maybe by users but certainly not by activity. For example the post about "The Boy and Heron" winning a golden globe got 9 comments on the unspeakable instance and only 2 here. From my own experience posting to both that seems to be the norm.

Regarding content removal from what I saw in the modlog the most concerning action other than preventing people from talking about alternatives was removing the Alya-san Key Visuals. So that gives you a good baseline of what will get hammered if noticed: pretty much everything.

The defederation being grounds for removal of all mention is a bit silly but not a discussion I'm willing to go into here as it would be pretty off-topic. I repsect your opinion on the matter but imo it's a very slippery slope to ban talking about something outright.

To be pretty blunt here closing down here is more a formality than anything really, even just stat wise there are slightly more active users on the other instance and the users there are apparently a lot more engaged in discussion than people here.