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Help me dunk on my friend (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

Don’t be too harsh he’s a cool dude, but he unfortunately has some capitalism good musk good sentiments that I’ve been trying to dismantle for some time now and i thought I’d ask for help with this.

Or you can just dunk.

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[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

How old is your friend?

It sounds like you are talking to someone who has not actually interacted with corporate America at all. The reason passion is essentially irrelevant to the job is because the only way to earn more money and move up the corporate ladder is to have passion for acquiring the job above yours, not actually have passion FOR the job you are doing, which has been shown through corporate studies like Sears to be ironically detrimental to the operation of the organization as a whole.

Not only that, but everybody and their mother knows that the higher you climb in an organization, the less actual work you do. Which is a good thing btw, being a good manager is doing hands off, trust but verify guidance to your employees and then fighting for their well-being in meetings. Should this be 'rewarded' more than the people actually doing most of the work? Probably not, but that is the way our society is structured at the moment. But that is besides the point that the top 1% make most of them money through passive investments, not through actual wage labor.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

The reason passion is essentially irrelevant to the job is because the only way to earn more money and move up the corporate ladder is to have passion for acquiring the job above yours, not actually have passion FOR the job you are doing, which has been shown through corporate studies like Sears to be ironically detrimental to the operation of the organization as a whole.

The syntax here is ambiguous. Are you saying that passion for climbing is the detriment or passion for one's current job?

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

When people only have a passion for climbing it is detrimental to the organization as a whole. What has been shown in corporate studies again and again is that if you pit people against each other and only incentivize personal achievement over all else, the organization as a whole will inevitably suffer.

The key is to incentivize and foster team development, where the team is rewarded for performing well. The problem is that almost all of people who get to a C-suite operate entirely on the premise that 'individual achievement is the only real metric for success', and then the only way to get them to cooperate is by making sure it is in their individual interest to not fuck over the organization.

Edit: Basically, OP's friend is making the classic mistake of conflating 'passion for doing a specific job well' to 'passion for making money or personal social success'.

It doesn't matter how passionate of a janitor you are, there are only so many hours in the day, and you will eventually have to become a passionate manager of janitors or seller of cleaning supplies to actually make a lot of money. There are a few jobs where there is potential for passion for the individual job to translate into wild career success (cooking for one), but even then, the most monetarily successful chefs are the ones who go into media production, not just cooking.

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