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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/7477620

Transitive defederation -- defederating from instances that federate with Threads as well as defederating from Threads -- isn't likely to be an all-or-nothing thing in the free fediverses. Tradeoffs are different for different people and instances. This is one of the strengths of the fediverse, so however much transitive defederation there winds up being, I see it as overall as a positive thing -- although also messy and complicated.

The recommendation here is for instances to consider #TransitiveDefederation: discuss, and decide what to do. I've also got some thoughts on how to have the discussion -- and the strategic aspects.

(Part 7 of Strategies for the free fediverses )

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[-] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The fact that you equate vulnerable communities blocking instances that house hate movements that target them with righteous indignation is genuinely scary...

[-] folkrav@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

I’m not sure I understand your issue with the term here. “Righteous indignation” word for word means “indignation that’s justified”, so I don’t want to jump to conclusions, and I’m thinking I may be having yet another of my English second language speaker moments.

[-] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 months ago

Indignation implies that it's about being offended or upset.

The specific term you used usually carries an implication of pettiness, and of making a big deal out of nothing. The "righteous" part is normally meant in an ironic or sarcastic way.

[-] folkrav@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I’m not the same person you were initially talking to. I’m not sure calling it indignation is necessarily dismissive - indignation can perfectly be justified. I’m really surprised it carries this subtext. I can’t seem to find any reference or definifion supporting neither this nor the expression itself though, but I may be looking in the wrong place…

[-] Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I think it's another one of those things where words and phrases change meaning over time.

Righteous is equal to justifiable. Indignant is equal to showing anger.

Logically, it should mean justifiably angry. Often times, people will just ignore and skip over the first word and will only properly read "indignant".

I think it's similar to when people say words like "irregardless". They use it to mean "regardless". If you break the word down, the double negative makes it a positive. It looks like it should read as being the same as "regarding", but people had other ideas lol

Another fun one: "eggcorn" has been added to some dictionaries as a synonym for "acorn".

[-] folkrav@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That’s what I meant. I’m perfectly open to believe it, but it’s also the very first time I hear « righteous indignation » carries this particular pejorative subtext, and I can’t seem to find a source substantiating the idea that it means petty anger.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

What can a hate group do when Meta’s federated to an instance with vulnerable people in it, that they can’t do when Meta’s not federated with that instance?

[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Yeah people never explain that. As if people get stopped by this. It just makes the tech behind the federation actually useless just for some imaginary hypothetical threat that it wouldn't stop anyways!

[-] sour@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

will hate groups spend extra time making fediverse account when previously didn’t

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

So there's a difficulty barrier. They will have access to comments. What is the attack they would then perform?

[-] sour@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

is worse than having access to comments

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