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Sanders warns Biden: address working-class fears or risk losing to demogogue
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If biden loses, a big part of why will be the single issue “genocide Joe” kids who, like their predecessors, The Bernie Bros, took their vote and went home over something that was much smaller than the potential loss of democracy.
Downvote all wish, the fact remains: had the Bernie bros not thrown a temper tantrum, there’s a good chance 2016 could have turned out differently.
Disagreeing does not make this untrue.
When do we get to blame the shit candidate who lost instead? Bernie didn't ignore and not campaign in multiple states because he thought they were in the bag, that was Hillary. Bernie didn't conspire with the dnc to put up the worse polling candidate because it was "their turn", that was Hillary. Bernie supporters didn't say "we don't need your vote" to the progressive voters, those were Hillary supporters.
This shit makes me want to write Bernie in instead of holding my nose and voting for Biden like I did last time.
When the polls reflect the proper amount of democratic voters during the election.
You fail to realize that when people stay home and don’t vote- it shows. So we’re well aware of how many of you “democrats” stayed home in 2016.
If you're acknowledging you need our votes in the general then made better choices in the primaries. Don't elect procorporate trash in the primaries like Joe Biden.
Enjoy Trump. You’ve earned him.
You have too.
… said the kid that is withholding their vote because they’re throwing a temper tantrum over a single issue.
This will be your fault.
Multiple issues. You think it's one issue because you aren't paying attention. Biden argued about the amount of stimulus money he campaigned on, he negotiated down on student loan forgiveness, he fucked the BBB, he created a corporate handout with the CHIPs act, he blocked the rail strike, gave the most limp dicked support possible to the UAW, enlisted Yellen and Powell to fight American Workers... and he supports genocide.
The candidate you selected in the 2020 primaries is garbage. That's on you.
The whole 'bernie bros' voting red is a digital propaganda point started by t_d, and spun off into 3 different Bernie subreddits that coincidentally were all modded by people from t_d.
They worked tirelessly to flood facebook so it LOOKED like 'bernie bros are gonna vote against their best interests in spite'.
I mean there were a few actual progressives that flip flopped but most of them voted Jill Stein.
Dude… voting polls shows they stayed home. Not that they voted red. They DIDN’T VOTE.
It’s proven.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/registered-voters-who-stayed-home-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/
And:
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/
Are you deliberately trying to shift the goalposts? I'm not talking about 'people who stayed home' because it is functionally useless to try and estimate the absence of considering a third or more of eligible voters just simply never turn up in any election.
The claim was disenfranchised Bernie supporters switched their votes to trumpty dumpty. The articles you linked do not support that, which is why you shifted to 'stayed home'
That is not intellectual honestly.
Talk about shifting goalposts…. I’m not talking about Bernie bros voting for Trump, you are. I never was, yet YOU comment to me about to change the subject to what YOU wanted it to be.
I was talking about everyone staying home and not voting like the “gEnOciDe jOe” people now. are now. Like the Bernie bros- they got butthurt over something smaller than the big picture and fucked it all up for everyone.
Then, in the aftermath, they claimed innocence and pointed the finger at other factors that were irrelevant. Which is VERY similar to what you are doing.
I’m done arguing about this. It’s pointless here. Lemmy is as bad as Reddit when it comes to hive mind mentality.
Yep, the 27,000 users on Lemmy.world are gonna sway this election. No doubt. /s
You think it’s limited to just the people here on Lemmy?
Oh man, how did you slip past security?
Exactly my point. Security. Thats what Lemmy is. Security for The ignorant.
It's sad because technically the fediverse is a huge improvement over reddit and other social media platforms, but many of the users are so toxic that it just bleeds users with every wave of new people who try it. There's a lot of unreasonable and angry people on here out to start fights and hurl insults at anyone who isn't a Hamas apologist that is left of Lenin.
>Bernie bros- they got butthurt iver something smaller than the big picture and fucked it all up for everyone.
>Then, in the aftermath, they claimed innocence and pointed the finger at other factors that were irrelevant. Which is VERY similar to what you are doing.
wrong on basically every account.
I said I’m done. arguing with the hive-mind.
i don't want you to argue. i just wanted to contradict your lies.
Not about to get my account banned for disagreeing with you. Seems that happens a lot around you so, I’ll just block you so as to avoid it becoming a problem.
>I’ll just block you
thank god.
>Not about to get my account banned for disagreeing with you. Seems that happens a lot around you
this is the second time i've seen this accusation/insinuation. do i carry an aura of fear or something?
7 Palestinians are dying every minute.
Won’t someone think of America’s democracy?
There’s a damn good chance that even more will die per minute if Trump is elected- but you can add to that his promise that he will absolutely be a dictator from day one. He’s already said he has no issue using our own military against us if necessary.
What do you think this all means exactly?
Go ahead. I’ll await your response.
israel's end goal is complete ethnic cleansing of Palestine. They will achieve that whether biden or trump is in office. There is no worse candidate in this particular case, because both unconditionally lick the ass of israel.
One can criticize Biden, and still vote for him.
Are you having difficulty keeping up with the point of my original comment?
It’s entirely fair and necessary to criticize ANYONE for the things they do that fly in the face of human decency…
But I’m not talking about criticism. I’m talking about the people that admittedly are blatantly refusing to vote because of it- while simultaneously thinking it won’t be their fault when we wind up with a dictator in a throne.
Because they WILL be blamed for this.
It won’t be their fault. It’s their vote. It’s up to the candidate to win the vote. If they don’t win the voter’s vote; say, by aiding in a genocide, then it’s the candidate’s fault. We need to stop blaming voters because they don’t condone genocide, and start blaming candidates for abiding it.
Cut the shit. Inaction getting trump elected, is still a decision.
It’s not blaming voters- it’s blaming NON voters.
If you sit at home doing nothing- you can’t in your right mind expect to make any change in the world. When Trump gets elected because theres not enough votes to cancel out his droves of mindless supporters- it WILL be the fault of those staying home and pouting.
Want change? Make change. But doing nothing will net you exactly that.
Choosing the lesser evil is choosing evil. And nobody own another person vote. They have to earn it.
But not everyone can. And you're not helping those people get off the couch.
Hamas wanted permanent war, they got it. Palestinians overwhelmingly approve of Hamas and Oct 7. Although it seems absurd, it appears everyone is getting what they wanted.
You're right, those children deserved to die!!! In fact, democrats should run on the messaging of "fuck them kids", that'll get voters to eagerly run out and vote for them.
You appear to have more concern for their children's safety than 74% of Palestinians do. Hamas puts their lives in jeopardy, uses them as human shields, yet still remains popular.
Do you honestly think the Palestinians don't care about their children? You're just repeating israeli propaganda that dehumanizes Palestinians. Please think before spreading such fascist sentiments.
They care about their children, just evidently not as much as score settling. If they cared more about protecting their young, this popular intifada and constant provocation in a city of mostly children wouldn't make sense. Instead they indoctrinate children to violence and intifada from a young age, making child soldiers of them.
Are you aware that MEMRI is little more than a propaganda arm of israel? Anyway, you could argue that israel doesn't care about their people, seeing as how they've bombed and shot up hostages they supposedly wanted to rescue. Following your logic, should israel be ethnically cleansed?
Memri translations can be suspect but there is nothing to translate in that clip, it speaks for itself. There are many clips like it if you search for them. Hamas even runs a summer camp for children that looks a lot like a boot camp.
This isn't about ethnicity, it's about Israel's neighbor trying to murder them for 70+ years.
Palestinians largely have not been trying to murder Israelis, that's Hamas. On the other hand, ethnic cleansing of Palestine is official policy of Israel. From settlements to outright genocide.
Having contempt for voters is like blaming the weather when it rains. Maybe the candidate should have came prepared with an umbrella, but here we are.
I have contempt for non-voters.