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[-] remotelove@lemmy.ca 145 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

They can leech all the data they want from my employer. I don't give a fuck. Never use company assets for personal business as an addendum.

Just be a little more careful with your own stuff, s'all.

[-] requiem@lemmy.world 61 points 5 months ago

Depends on your sector of work. Imagine you’re a therapist or a lawyer…

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 40 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

A lot of healthcare and education institutions use Outlook as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if mental health or legal uses it too. There may be rules about what kind of client/student/patient information can be sent over email, and often there are healthcare/institution specific variants of the office suites which (are supposed to) meet regulatory requirements

I think the other comment applies regardless. Do work things on the work device/account and let the workplace handle any other concerns. When it comes time to discuss alternatives, you can make a case for something else

[-] requiem@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

I mean it even harvests typing data and Outlook also includes calendars etc… It’s really bad.

But yes, I just suggested a re-evaluation of the use of Microsoft Outlook to my company …

[-] essteeyou@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

What would you get them to use instead? I use Proton personally, but I doubt many companies are using it at scale.

[-] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

Use geary as a client with a private company selfhosted mailserver.

[-] pound_heap@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

A company would use a Microsoft 365 plan that includes Outlook for Office 365, not a Windows Mail app. An the MS365 agreement would come with protections of company data from sharing with advertisers.

In other words, I wouldn't worry if my company used Outlook. But never log in to your private mailbox from a corporate device.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 4 points 5 months ago

There are dozens of articles about mental health systems selling patient data.

People are worried about these dystopian futures, completely unaware that we're living in one today. You can't do anything, go anywhere, or buy anything without it being logged and sold for profit. Not without spending years of your time becoming a cyber security expert.

[-] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 3 points 5 months ago

Cloud services who want the business of healthcare providers usually offer a separate service for customers who need enhanced privacy.

Google etc have this option.

Also Microsoft has “pay for enterprise control” for businesses. Businesses can pay for their data not to be collected or at least sent to a business controlled server.

[-] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

All of it is compatible with HIPAA.

[-] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 2 points 5 months ago

There is more than one country on this planet.

[-] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago

Yes, and plenty of them use HIPPA or variants of it as a standard. There will certainly be a control mapping from any other law or standard used and 365 is going to be mostly compatible with them all.

[-] idefix@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

Not trying to dismiss your view, but I am not aware of any country outside US using HIPPA as a standard. I'm also not an expert in this so probably mistaken. Which country are you thinking of?

[-] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

It isn't HIPAA in other countries. But it is similar enough that you can easily find white papers and crosswalks in compliance communities. The difference between HIPAA and gdpr is mostly informed sharing and where that's permissible https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/industry/blog/healthcare/2018/05/14/gdpr-implementation-hipaa-compliance-what-you-need-to-know/

Linked on that page is a PDF example. The execution and requirements are mostly the same.

[-] idefix@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago

I see what you mean yes. Some common principles can be found outside of the US

[-] Lichtblitz@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 5 months ago

There are different versions of Outlook depending on your subscription. Companies that do things properly, never see the problematic, "free version" of Outlook. They have very fine control over the features and data collections they enable.

[-] remotelove@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago
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