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This is scary because, if Trump finally ends up in prison or is otherwise somehow not the Republican nominee, Nikki Haley is as stupid and dangerous as the rest of the Republican leadership. If she has a better chance against Biden than Trump, we should hope Trump is the one on the ballot (and then subsequently rotting in prison after he loses).
A second Trump presidency isn't the greatest threat to American democracy. Republicans are. Trump and his sycophantic cult are just the most notable symptom of the Republican disease. Until they either move on from their 21st century extremism or are obliterated as a party, Democrats need to win because these evil psychopaths cannot be allowed to govern.
We should never hope for Trump on the ballot. Even if that means Haley fuming it out with Uncle Joe. Trump should not be allowed to run. Period.
THIS. I’ll take someone who hasn’t admitted that they plan on being a day-one dictator over one that has any day.
And it shouldn't be an optional thing. Even if it could potentially help Democrats, or you personally, or whatever, it is unacceptable for him to be allowed to run after refusing to transition power peacefully. It is and should be disqualifying.
It's not a matter of preference. It is a matter of what is right and just.
Well said.
Why do you think Democrat leadership keeps saying things like 'we need to best Trump at the polls'. They don't want to take Trump off the ballot because they know it reduces their chances. They're catering to a fascist so they can win an election. That was the 2016 strategy.
It's because every Republican candidate is Trump with less make-up. They all share the same fascist platform.
You better believe they want Trump removed from the ballot, and there's two outcomes why: The first and likely is that Trump wins nomination. On states where he's not on the ballot, there will be people who do not vote at all and this affect downstream voting. The second is that Trump somehow loses nomination. There will indeed be people who write-in Trump, and while this is actually a worse outcome due to downstream voting being affected, this outcome would be largely unaffected by Trump's removal or not. Primary voters are gonna write things in, and especially Republican ones that feel like the system is rigged.
They're literally saying they don't want him removed from the ballot, California rejected it, Jeffries wants to beat him at the polls. If the Democrat leadership wants him off the ballot they're certainly not saying so out loud and I have no idea why you think they are.
Trump shouldn’t be on the ballot. He tried to lead a coup against his own country. He should be done.
Doesn’t matter if there was 100% chance of Republicans losing with Trump vs. 100% chance of winning without him. He still should not be on the ballot ever again.
This isn’t about teams or sides or who we want to win. The guy committed treason. We shouldn’t be legitimizing that by letting him run for fucking president. He should be in prison.
200 years from now, students shouldn’t be learning that we tried to vote a treasonous authoritarian cult leader back into office. They should be learning that treason ends your political career forever.
If Haley is the nominee, there's no way she beats Biden. Biden votes would be lessened because there'd be no anti-Trump vote but you still have abortion, weed, and student loan forgiveness on the table. Three super-popular policies that the dems have over the repubs and there's no chance Haley changes tack on abortion or loan forgiveness.
It's fairly absurd to me that the Republicans think Trump is a force they need to protect at all.
You can tie a President's hands pretty thoroughly with control of even one body of Congress, and it's not like Biden is actually fighting back that hard, because, after all, he ultimately just wants to protect the status quo.
Ditch Trump, blame the Supreme Court just doing what the Constitution says to do, accept the loss you earned when you picked him in the first place, then whine about Biden's basic liberalism for another four years and get even more Congress critters in seats because people look at a President crippled by Congress and blame the President, not Congress.
The ones in charge of the Republican party have lost the ability to ditch Trump. Theyve sent him too many likes, and prayers and he is too powerful. The GOP needs trump more than Trump needs the GOP.
He will go to the polls as Third Party and neither will never win again for a long time. Not that - that would be a bad thing, mind you.
What, exactly, do you think the relevance is here?
Your first sentence, about the Republicans need to protect Trump. The image is of fasces, the Italian word for a collection of rods (loyalists) bundled around an axe handle (Trump). The purpose of the rods is to take damage for the axe handle to protect it when the axe misses, because the axe is where the "power" is. As such, the rods are disposable, whether they know it or not. The word fasces is where term Fascism derived from
I figured, but that's the point, Trump is not only disposable but it'd be in their best interest to dispose of him, just like the Grand Council of Fascism/Victor Emmanuel deposed Mussolini for being an incompetent fuckwit.
Even the ideology allows for it, anything and any action can be justified for the goal of strengthening the state.
I mean, it's all social constructs. To Trump supporters, Trump should be the state, regardless of any puppeteer's intentions. And right now Trump is indisposable to the GOP, but only because his followers believe he is, or because his followers believe that enough of the other followers believe it that they have little choice but to play along to stay in the game. It's a fragile, imaginary power, but it's also very real. It's certainly in their best interest to bail from Trump, but we'll see if they will. That's what makes fascism so cult-y. The axe doesn't even have to be real, you just need to convince the fasces
Obviously, vote no matter what. But I don't think this proves Nikki is the stronger candidate. For every 1 Nikki voter that votes for Biden over Trump, there may easily be 3 or 4 Trump voters who stay home rather than vote for Haley. Trump achieved unprecedented turnout in 2020 when he lost (because Biden achieved even more unprecedented turnout). I doubt Nikki can capture that same result
This is a good point. Thanks for helping to quell my worries a bit.
I mean she is a woman. That already takes her down a shit ton of votes compared to Trump.
Also she's Middle Eastern.
Identity politics are big in the GOP too.