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Why Israel imprisons so many Palestinians
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Concessions with a genocidal occupier who doesn’t want peace, how?
First of all, high civilian casualties is not genocide. That word means something specific, something Israel is not doing.
Second of all, they do want peace, but it needs to be on their terms, which makes sense given that they hold all the realpolitik cards. I believe they are willing to negotiate but not with terrorist organizations like Hamas or Fatah.
Netanyahu will be voted out soon and I suspect whoever replaces him will be more amenable to terms, unless of course these ongoing attacks on civilians move them more rightward.
The alternative, I suspect, is Palestine loses everything and there is no Palestine. Even unconditional surrender would likely lead to a better outcome than this.
https://youtu.be/FtK0IqKs6FY?si=h3WlBbAX7p7xvgdb
Those casualties are not by accident. Civilians and journalists are getting targeted, and the justifications are as follows: "The 400 innocent civilians had a Hamas leader amongst them", "The convoy of people fleeing to the area we told them to flee to, had Hamas militants" (No weapons or evidence was presented), and "The hospital was housing a Hamas headquarters" (shows an amount of Aks that keeps duplicating every time they re-upload the video, and two bottles of WD-40 that appear two times in two different locations).
Their own terms are to be allowed to enter any region at any time and kill, incarcerate, torture, or rape whoever they like, for their court to acquit them later. That's not peaceful, and it's absolutely not gonna make the people of Palestine any more peaceful or accepting towards the occupiers.
Whoever is the prime minister of this "nation" never mattered. They're all criminals, and none of them would realistically offer peace.
Palestine losing or keeping all of it's territory doesn't mean shit when they are not allowed to govern it anyway. Any government put there will be for show. As soon as it starts governing by building infrastructure, organizing a police force, or a military, it's gonna become a terrorist organization, and get crippled by blockades and attacks targeting it's facilities and infrastructure.