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Suggesting third party is like having 2 loved ones taken hostage and held at gunpoint, being forced to pick one, then picking neither and letting both get shot because to pick one is to support the murder of one of your loved ones.
I get the sentiment, genocide is fucking horrifying and it's sickening that the US government is actively funding it, but there doesn't exist a solution within the bounds of electoralism.
This analogy is wrong. If one of them is to get shot anyways, then the other person won't get shot. Three options:
Person 1 gets shot
Person 2 gets shot
Nobody gets shot
The question is whether you are trying to prevent it or actively endorse a person getting shot. Because if enough people would not endorse it, nobody would get shot.
The ends do not justify the means! That is exactly the logic that the IDF uses. "We just kill all the 2 million Palestinians, and then we can live in safety!". Supporting genocide is not a justifiable way to "save democracy" (whatever that even means).
Vote Cornel West. Vote Jil Stein. Or if the Democrats finally get their head of of their ass and get a Non-Zionist like AOC on there, Vote for them.
Nah, not how it works. Trump gets elected, and far more extreme fascism becomes normalized and the courts get packed with even more evil scumbags. Genocide continues, possibly at an accelerated pace.
Biden gets elected, genocide continues, but on the ground fascism isn't enabled and there's more room for grassroots leftist movements to take place.
There isn't a third party option, that's a farce of the 2 party system. It doesn't actually exist, it's to provide the illusion that the American people actively support the current 2 parties, rather than passively supporting them. Its not a real option and never has been.
You're literally normalizing genocide already by voting for Biden. Nazi style genocide. It doesn't get much more Fascist than Bidolf Hitler because you're already there.
Do you legitimately think Trump is the anti-genocide candidate here? Or is virtue signaling more important than the lives of Gazans to you? Are you so privledged that you can throw away your vote and let Trump accelerate fascism, because you won't be harmed?
Unfortunately for me, those I care about are not nearly as privledged and can't afford letting a fascist in power, even if that means picking the crusty neoliberal ghoul.
Is Trump the BUT KHAMASSSS for American Democrats?
I'm a leftist, not a Democrat. Electoralism cannot work, read "Reform or Revolution." Electoralism is purely harm reduction, and allowing harm to accelerate is privledged.
If you want leftist movement, then join an org and advocate at the grassroots level, organize, unionize, and win local elections. Voting third party to virtue signal your LARP instead of touching grass and actually doing something is a great way to lose support of the Proletariat.
Ask 2016 Bernie how spending his entire life doing that went
Ask yourself. Bernie is verified proof that electoralism is bullshit.
Read theory and stop LARPing.
Anyone supporting genocide is not a leftist. The only one larping is you.
You're supporting genocide. Do you legitimately think the best way to stop genocide is to spoiler your vote so you can virtue signal while someone who has only demonstrated themselves to be far more militant the last time they were in power comes back into power?
Again, read theory, otherwise I'm just going to assume you're either a bot or a fed. You openly support electing Trump and escalating the genocide of Palestinians just so you can virtue signal, it's a betrayal of the international Proletariat.
https://youtu.be/LgZuC65u_7Q?t=1m6s
This is what Biden is trying to give 15 Billion to. If you're going to tell me this isn't straight up Nazism then I don't know what is.
Israel is absolutely conducting genocide and Biden is absolutely bankrolling it, yes. Trump would at minimum maintain that status quo and has not indicated he wouldn't.
Let's follow your theory-less LARP to completion. You valiantly spoil your vote and vote third party, for a middling demsoc with a shady past. What next? Do you think Trump isn't going to absolutely dumpster Biden if every single leftist in America votes third party?
Trump takes office, and maintains America's genocidal campaign. But hey! At least you can say you voted third party, amiright? No moral responsibility here! You washed your hands proudly as Trump doubles down the ethnic cleansing campaign to wipe Gaza off the map.
You've also said grassroots movements won't do anything either, so you're anti-grass touching and clearly can't be counted on to help win local elections or organize unions on the ground, you know, actual leftist movements that stand a chance of moving America to the left and winning local battles.
Is your end game to just Stan Trump, or is it to pretend you're not morally responsible for Trump genociding Palestinians? Either way, you're certainly not a leftist, because you advocate against leftism.
Israel commits genocide because they believe the end justifies the means.
If the means are a geriatric old man going senile I'm fine with it.
If the means are genocide then that's where a line must be drawn.
You aren't drawing the line, lmao. You're both refusing grassroots movements and allowing the other genocidal leader who will probably double down, purely so you can virtue signal.
How do you legitimately see your LARP going? Play it out for me.
Ah yes the grassroots Genocide movement.
If Biden loses in polling they will need to either swap him out for someone that isn't a Nazi or lose. As long as needed until third parties start gaining tractions and Genocrat voters jump ship.
Walk me through your LARP. I'm not advocating for grassroots democrat promotion, but grassroots Unionization and winning of local elections, and you know that because I've already said that. Of course, unless you think electing Socialists to local office and unionizing is genocide, in which case you're probably a fed.
Seriously, walk me through. You aren't unionizing or trying to get Socialists elected locally, and are actively voting third party in the federal election. Do you truly think anything else will happen other than handing the win to Trump, enabling even worse genocide? How are you planning on helping the people of Gaza if you aren't trying to actually put pressure on from below?
You're LARPing, you haven't read theory, you're just a fed or a bot.