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I can partially agree with the context you want to add to the situation, yes. That doesn't change the fact the Russia is in a very literal sense shooting and bombing Ukrainian cities right now. Their explanation for why they're doing it doesn't mean it's all of a sudden not what they're doing.
Surely we can agree on that much?
Ukrainian negotiators are now admitting that Russia and Ukraine had a tentative agreement last March and then Ukraine decided to sabotage it because of the pressure from the west. The west is literally the reason the war started and continues today.
Could Russia have continued to try and find a diplomatic solution after a decade of being lied to, perhaps they could've tried longer. However, we now know for a fact that the west and Ukraine never intended to have good faith negotiations.
To sum up, Russia tried to find a peaceful solution for close to a decade. The west refused to play ball. Then Russia did a show of force and brought Ukraine to negotiating table. The west sabotaged negotiations. Now, Russia is fighting a proxy war with NATO in Ukraine because of that.
Do you have a source for this?
Why did Russia not explain this at the start of the war? They claimed they had no plans to invade Ukraine at all and it was all a Western lie. Why?
Do you believe that "pogroms" or similar against ethnic Russians in east Ukraine were the motivation for the invasion? To what extent do you think that they were going on?
here's Arestovich saying it https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1975okx/ua_pov_arestovich_in_english_says_he_and_the_rest/
here's another member of negotiating team confirming this https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/11/24/7430282/
They did explain this many times and very clearly. Why did the west not listen is the actual question.
Absolutely, and it was going on to an extent that even CNN reported on this back in 2014, here's a clip you can watch https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296
There's also an hour long documentary from France on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs
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