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Ok, so obviously no one here has done anything to make this world what it is. Wall Street, corporations, and racist social structures are why the world is how it is, and that is just the truth.

I don't understand why I should feel bad about anything when obviously all of these rich assholes and structures of oppression exist. I didn't make them.

Until the corporations and wealthy people change, why should I feel guilty or bad about things. This literally isn't my fault, they did this, so I just feel like I should be able to live my life and not have to worry about all this. Why can't I?

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[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

It depends on the type of progress we're talking about. I'm talking about political progress, i.e. leftism, socialism, etc. The "progress" of the native American genocide was an inherently right wing, genocidal ideology with the belief that colonial settlers were given the supreme right to control all the land between both oceans. Real progress would be creating a landback framework for native Americans in a true 2 state solution that gives total autonomy to tribes.

[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

What wing is the policy where you live on and benefit from occupied Indigenous lands that the "right wing, genocidal policy" gave you, and then you talk about a two-state solution, like Europeans twice descended are somehow now Israelites that were lost in the desert but now understand themselves as deserving of equal national consideration because they checks notes made a nation-state 250 years ago amongst tribal nations that well predate the United States. What "wing" is that?

It's so progressive that you think the Peoples the land was stolen from should get to have some of it back based on how you decide it. Tell me more about this "Progress." It sounds fascinating.

All of Marx's "insights" for how he thought things could be were anthropological descriptions of extant Indigenous political and social structures. He published them as "discoveries." Fun!

[-] erev@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I believe it's the wing that acknowledges that any temporary or permanent governmental structure that tries to give all US land back to the Indigenous tribes would probably be beheaded before the ink on the paper could dry, and that much like guns some cats can't be put back in the bag. I think the point of a two state solution would be to return as much land as possible without getting overthrown yourself and allowing these Indigenous peoples to have sovereignty and self-determination, the likes of which they were promised and never got to fully realize. Whether or not they trust that is a different matter, and an equally important one. A true solution would require complete integration of these native peoples into the decision making process to create an equitable solution for everyone where we could hopefully begin to move forward and start the multi-century, multi-generational healing process for these disenfranchised communities. We can't undo the mistakes of the past and we can't instantly remediate things in the present, so we hope to build a better, more equitable and egalitarian future that benefits everyone and does not require sacrifices to our necessities in the name of capitalism.

And I agree that many leftist political and social ideologies resemble many indigenous and aboriginal political and social structures, however in a very different (but still uncannily similar) context. I cannot comment on how much of these writings and ideologies were directly stolen from indigenous or aboriginal peoples, nor what the impact of that is as I am not well-enough versed in every aspect of this. However what I will say is that if we do not take action soon, then our opportunities to prevent further irreversible harm and damage will dwindle.

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