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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

Russian force in Ukraine deploy Silok radio-jammers in order to disrupt the radio links between Ukrainian drone and their operators.

But the Ukrainians have knocked out several Siloks. With drones. Most recently, a Mavic quadcopter from Ukraine’s Aerobomber unit bombed, with grenades, a tripod-mounted Silok—apparently destroying it.

Add the drone raids on Silok counter-drone systems to the long, and lengthening, list of ironic operations by Ukrainian forces. Ukrainian artillery blasting a Russian counter-artillery radar. A Ukrainian GPS-guided bomb blowing up a Russian GPS-jammer. And many, many examples of Ukrainian drones bombing Russian drone-jammers.

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[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Jamming= broad spectrum noise source that is louder at the frequency than the signal of the transponders. In other words, a high power homing beacon that is stationary and always needs to broadcast.

"Oh look! Our drone got jammed."

"That's okay. It returns home on its own."

"Where is home?"

"The jamming beacon."

Something like that...

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

but it's not continuous, it's a few commonly used sections that are jammed. This way you get more range out of the same power, until somebody uses freqs in the gaps and you can't adjust. And then some are broken, some are off, some don't work, and we know that jamming doesn't always work because there was one video of bomber drone destroying jammer. If it was home-on-jam the signal would drown in noise

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

SDR? It has to be the largest signal in the area right?

Move to 3 points to triangulate quickly when signal is lost to noise and vector to the location regardless of continuous transmission.

I want to know why anti-drone systems are not simply using diode lasers and simple trackers to blind/fry the optics. Seems to me that a system should be about as cheap as the average drone, and they all seem to rely heavily on optical sensors.

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago

do you have any idea how big antenna array has to be for it to have any angular resolution

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

you need something like square array sized at about 2 wavelengths wide, this can easily get into 50x50cm range at lower frequencies

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

I want to know why anti-drone systems are not simply using diode lasers and simple trackers to blind/fry the optics

because you have to find drone first, acquire its location and quite precisely at that, and at this point short burst of 12.7mm is more reliable. jammers don't need any directivity and work over any number of drones in area covered

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Guns are heavy and slow. Light is near instantaneous and has no trajectory. A targeting laser can move extremely fast and a 360° camera with AI object recognition can pick up targets faster than any human. Targeting does not need to be accurate as a common high power diode laser can fry any optical sensor upon contact. Just aim and add a little jitter in the region of the issue. It should also be possible to use UV lasers that are outside of the visual spectrum. It is not hard to spot these with optics designed for the task, but most military optics seem to focus on IR, so UV should be much less visible while being much higher energy and causing more damage quickly. It should be possible and not require the radio emissions of a jammer.

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

lasers with power required would be also pretty heavy, and only as fast as operator, so about the same as AA guns

[-] Shurimal@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

That's pretty much like Wild Weasel SEAD works. Get locked on by a SAM radar, lock your HAARM to that radar's signal and press fire🙂

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

You forgot the “Blyat.” As it dawns on the Russians.

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