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That's not how it works.
Of course not, I'm asking if that's how it should work?
No, it should not. When two consenting adults have sex without protection, the resulting pregnancy shouldn't be the sole problem of the woman.
She is the only one granted the choice to end the responsibility. The father is left with massive financial responsibility for 18 years, that the mother had the choice to prevent. This even occurs in cases of rape.
An abortion is a medical procedure that has a high risk for the woman, and carries with it the trauma of ending a human life.
Yes, she is the only one granted the choice to end it. Because "it" happens within her body.
Should the mother or father be given custody assuming both parents are equally fit and willing? Should the father be able to say either put the child up for adoption or not pay child support? Obviously this lack of choice could happen to the mother too, but she had 9 months of another choice.
If you can't take the heat, better stay out of the kitchen...
Child support isn't meant to punish a parent that's no longer in the child's life. Even if thats the end result, it's meant to support the child.
Because of the bodily autonomy argument there won't be true equality surrounding pregnancy because nobody has (or should have) weight of decision of whether to carry the child except for the person who does so.
But if a child is brought into the world as a result, it needs to be supported. And that's the responsibility of the parents- willing or not.
I think that if male birth control becomes safe and available it will be much closer to equality.
Your logic is fundamentally flawed. In several ways. I see several people arguing with you ineffectively because they assume you are arguing in good faith or have a coherent position... Neither of which I am convinced you possess.
In the US (and most of the world) it is a fundamental right of bodily autonomy that any individual is not subjected to any forced medical situation in the support of another person's life, regardless of that person's age, gender or relationship with the other person. Even if we agreed on when personhood happens (I assume we disagree on it) at no point must one person give up their bodily rights for another. If you provide a special case for pregnancy then we are in a discussion of if your inconsistent belief structure is valid.
You're free to disagree with me, but everything I say on here is in good faith.
Yep, I agree.
I have no strong opinion on when personhood happens, I simply don't know.
A special case for what? You never expressed your disagreement with me.
Your inability to follow the argument is probably the problem.
Okay, then tell me what I missed
Why should I repeat myself?
Because clearly I failed to understand what you said, so rephrasing could enable that.