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So, do you oppose abortion in general?
Obviously not. They're saying that the person that gets pregnant gets to decide whether or not they want to abort. It's not the decision of the sperm donor.
So, a mother has a choice to opt out of paying for a child if they can't afford it. But a father is given the same choice.
Yes. Everyone should have autonomy over their own bodies, especially when it's a matter of something as major as pregnancy. Pregnancy is a medical condition, and the only person that should (legally) have any input in medical decision making for pregnancy is the person that's pregnant.
The mother clearly has a bigger stake in pregnancy than a father and I can't believe this needs to be explained. Yes, women get to choose if they want to be mothers for a variety of complicated and nuanced reasons. For men they can simply choose to not raw dog a woman. Obviously it's different if they were raped or their semen was stolen but those are much more rare cases.
And, generally, the women also have the exact same choice. Yet they are given much more of a choice post pregnancy test.
The father made that choice when he decided it was a good idea to fuck without protection. You don't get to undo mistakes you made by telling someone else to undergo a medical procedure they don't want. It doesn't matter if you realized your mistake the next day and started telling them to use plan B. You can not want a baby all you want, but the only thing that matters is, did you willingly play your part in making it?
I agree with your basic argument, but this point in particular is dumb for 2 reasons
Unless the father is a rapist, they both decided to have unprotected sex
Condoms fail sometimes. Wearing one significantly reduces the likelihood of pregnancy but it's hardly a pancea. Any competent sex-ed teacher should have explained that
That being said, there's no ethical way to give a man control after conception and allowing them to bail on child support eould be detrimental to society. Single mothers have it hard enough already.
What a person does with their own body is entirely up to them. If you play your part in making that baby, and the person you came inside of plays their part too, you both have to pay for it. The sperm donor has one opportunity to opt out of being a parent, and that one opportunity is when they're having sex.
Yes, but when one person has the choice to not have a child, the other person can express their desire to not raise the child.
Why?
Why?
You can express your desire to not raise a child all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you made a choice that led to that child being born.
You both have to pay for it because you both made a decision to make it. Both parents have an obligation to provide support, and if one parent wants nothing to do with the kid, that support must be financial. "Why?" Because that kid costs money to raise, and the alternative is the state paying for your decision not to wrap it up. Like hell do I want my taxes paying for your one night stand.
Because you can't make medical decisions for someone else, your one and only opportunity to opt out of being a father is while you're having sex. The only person who gets to decide whether or not to have an abortion is the pregnant party. If they opt not to, but you really, really want them to, then that sucks for you, but refer back to point 2.