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[-] SuiXi3D@kbin.social 69 points 9 months ago

There are… but there are loopholes. Which is why the vehicles get bigger every year. They’re all using loopholes to continue not bothering to meet the standards the regulations set forth.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 55 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Loopholes are always going to happen...

But if you close them, then the problem is fixed.

Currently we just ignore them, instead of passing regulations that close the loophole and clarify

We could even go a step further and require plans to be approved by a regulatory agency before mass production can start.

Boom, problem solved forever.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 9 months ago

Even better would be if the US switched from "letter of the law" to "spirit of the law" because as it stands, there's a lot of lawmakers just throwing their hands in the air and saying "well they're not breaking the letter of the law, so there's nothing we can do" while completely ignoring that it's clear that the person in question is breaking the spirit of the law when it was written.

It allows for laws to be endlessly re-interpreted, and at this point even the Supreme Court has tossed out the idea of previous decisions actually mattering. They'll just re-interpret every law to be beneficial to their purposes every time they need to re-interpret it.

At a certain point you have to stop and admit the loopholes are being left open on purpose.

[-] xhieron@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

If you think law has too much room for interpretation when we care about it says, what makes you think anything would improve if we instead cared only about what it meant to say?

The spirit of the law is important in American jurisprudence, but there's a reason that no serious legal academic advocates for abandoning black-letter interpretation: a cornerstone of jurisprudence is predictability. In order to be justly bound by the law, a reasonable person must be able to understand its borders. This gives rise to principles in US law concerning vagueness (vague laws are void ab initio) and due process. We can't always ascertain what the "spirit of the law" is, should be, or was intended to be, but we can always ascertain what the law is. Even in common law and case law, standards must be articulated, and the state must give effect to what is actually said, and not what it wishes had been said. Abandoning this principle in order to "close loopholes" is just inviting bad actors who currently exploit oversights to instead wield unbridled power against ordinary people who could never have even anticipated the danger.

That loopholes are left open deliberately is not a failure of legal interpretation. It's a direct consequence of corruption and regulatory capture. Rewriting American jurisprudence won't solve those problems. Hanging oil magnates and cheaply purchased bureaucrats will.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

The law meant that it’s not a crime if you’re of a certain race, gender, economic status, or sexual orientation.

[-] You999@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Following the spirit of the law would be extremely dangerous as one's interpretation of the spirit of the law maybe comply differently from another. There's also the issue of being punished for following what is written in the law only to be unjustly punished for something that's not written anywhere in the law. How are you supposed to trust the law if you cannot rely upon that law to be accurate? The real issue is lawmakers not covering all of every edge case either that be out of ignorance or malice and allowing those loopholes to exist in the first place.

[-] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I mean, the “spirit of the law” itself is extremely vague and allows for even more interpretation than the letter of the law.

You can easily fix the letter of the law by just changing what it says. You can’t fix when the Supreme Court decides that the spirit of the law is contrary to the letter, which they have done repeatedly.

In other words, you’re arguing that we shouldn’t care what the law says, and instead should govern on what we feel the law means.

[-] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago

America isn't the land of the free, it's the land of the sociopathic ruling class.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

"loophole" implies that regulators are trying to restrict them, but manufacturers are finding ways to work around those restrictions. There is no "loophole" here: CAFE standards are specifically driving manufacturers to produce larger cars.

CAFE standards gradually tighten emissions standards. The problem is that they tighten the standards on smaller cars faster than on larger cars. CAFE are making it harder and harder to make small, compliant vehicles, and easier to produce larger compliant vehicles.

This isn't a loophole. This is incompetent, counter-productive regulation.

[-] s_s@lemmy.one 5 points 9 months ago

This is regulation that's been bought and paid for.

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