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I don't understand how anyone can fire upon someone holding a white flag, they should be tried and sentenced.
Because Israelis are raised from birth to view everyone in Gaza as sub-human scum who would kill them at first opportunity if given one. The far right government propaganda has done a number on the population.
Yeah: extreme rabid violent racism.
It's why I started calling them Nazis: because of all the variants of Fascism, at the moment with all that we're seeing in Gaza it's Nazism that's the one closest what is being done by Israel.
If you think about it, systematic state-level extreme racism is only natural for an etnostate created during WWII and heavilly reliant on the way of thinking that lead to WWII - that of viewing people not as individual humans whose worth or unworth is defined by their actions and the actions they support but rather as born member of etnicities, with everybody of an etnicity judged as a group to be worthy or unworthy.
So reliant was Israel on etnic identitarianism for its identity and reason to be that when they reached the same level of power and confidence they behave just like all other such nations when they had such power, including the very one which is the Evil Opressor in Israel's Founding Story: Nazi Germany.
I think that's fair.
Is the presumption that any confusion from labelling them as such is actually not anywhere near the value of like pointing out the alleged truthfulness which comes from the analogy made by labelling people in Israel as such?
Sorry for the direct language I have ASD, I'm just trying to understand what people mean usually but it's been told to me that it is rude or offensive so I apologize if that is the case.
Well, notice how I never say "Israelis", but rather "Israel", "authorities of Israel", "the leaders of Israel" or the "government of Israel" (and not just in this post but more broadly).
That's because it would indeed be massivelly unfair to label all Israelis on the actions of the state of Israel: even if the country is supposedly a Democracy and even if it was a perfect Democracy (and this latter it definitelly isn't) we can at most claim that most Isrealis support the actions of their government and hence those that do can be judged on that support, never that Israelis in general can be judged on that. One can only pass judgment on individual people (Israelis or otherwise) based on what those individues support and how they act.
So whilst criticising the actions of the nation of Israel, executed on the orders of the elected government of Israel, which was supposedly elected and represents a majority of Israelis, I'm trying hard to not label all Israelis as a group because it would be unfair to the many Israelis that don't support this shit and, as you rightly point out, it would be quite the hypocrisy for me to complain about others treating people as part of groups and then go and myself do just that.
PS: I have no problem with direct language and in fact vastly prefer it like that, mostly because my core adult growth years were mostly lived in The Netherlands and the Dutch tend to culturally be quite direct. That said, thank you for considering that the person on the other side might feel that direct language is unpleasant.
Ah yes very fair. I did not do a close reading and missed that, I did not notice or see how careful you were with your language, your explanation is much appreciated!
If you see that person as an insect, a pest, not a person, it would be like swatting a mosquito. We are witnessing genocide.
I agree. Hamas is trying to eradicate the Palestinians by using them as human shields to gain sympathy for its cause. They call it martyrdom and they are proud as hell to have their families die as "true Palestinians" but let's start calling it what it is.
Wtf are you talking about? This guy was trying to get his mother and brother out and evacuated and then was shot holding a white flag. Please point out the Hamas in the video using anyone as a human shield.
It's this thinking that causes this Nazi shit to happen.
Nah the Nazi shit was a massive and organized campaign of extermination. It was planned and intentional.
It's a stupid comparison. This is one bad shooting in a war zone. Along with a few others, doesn't make it anything like the Nazis.
Hamas's human shield strategy, however, is an organized campaign of extermination, planned and intentional.
I'm also not talking about the guy in the video. Seems like he was murdered, and by a soldier, which makes it a war crime. One war crime, or a dozen war crimes, or a hundred, does not change the cassus belli or the lawful nature of the larger war itself.
No different than 1 or 12 or 100 guys selling drugs on a street corner would make anyone standing on the street corner a drug dealer; it doesn't.
It does when the person who owns the street corner says that this street corner is for drug dealers. Israel has said out loud they want everything in Palestine, that the Palestinians are a problem and it would be easier if they reduced them from millions to a couple thousand, that they're animals, etc. It's all genocidal language. You don't have to guess.
Not to mention Israel is using that same exact logic to ethnically cleanse Gaza, by pretending that every Palestinian is Hamas (despite greater than 50% deaths being women and children).
And it's not one bad shooting, or even a couple hundred war crimes. It's countless, or maybe one huge war crime. They're targeting all civilian infrastructure and have been since it's started, and justify it by saying Hamas is using all of it. Plus there's what's been happening in the West Bank forever. Millions of Gazans have been displaced already with no food or water and only the clothed and supplies they can carry. Journalists are getting shot every day.
Hamas is not doing some organized campaign of extermination. You just have to look at the numbers to see that. Hamas is a religious terrorist group that's arisen as a symptom of the need for armed resistance because Palestine has been getting screwed and lost all their nearby allies who could help after the Oslo Accords, and strengthened by Israel because they needed an enemy scapegoat to justify taking everything and denying a Palestinian state. They're a ragtag group shooting unguided improvised rockets over that fall on their own houses some of the time and fizzle and do nothing most of the rest of the time. If you want to look at organized extermination, look at the block by block bombing and displacement done by the IDF. Look at the side with the military vs the side with civilians trying to smuggle guns and hide in tunnels.
It's the same as the Native American raids, slave revolts, or the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. Hundreds of people are dying every week. There's no food, water, or power. Israel is an apartheid regime. They bomb hospitals, refugee camps, and humanitarian corridors "for ecsape".
Never again, means never again. Not just never again for white people.
If there is a tunnel under the building, they aren't targeting the building, they are targeting the tunnel. The building has to be razed either way. If the occupants and neighbors are all warned to leave, that's good enough by any standard of moral warfare.
It's a shame that Hamas built them under their people's homes and under vital infrastructure. It stuns me that rather than being violently overthrown by an angry mob of their countrymen, Hamas is extremely popular. I guess if all the suicide bombings and rocket attacks on innocent people didn't turn the Palestinian public against Hamas, why would October 7 be any different? Personally if some group asked me to ignore an evacuation order and allow myself to be blown up in order to die as a hero, I'd tell them they were absolutely insane and I would leave. Of course Hamas, insane terrorists that they are, would likely not allow me to leave, because to them there is actually nothing better than seeing Palestinians die by Israeli weapons.
No it's because the people who live there know what happens when they leave: they won't be able to come back. Palestinians are still trying to get the right return for the 700,000 that were kicked out of their homes during the nakba.The people there have living memory of these horrible events. Same thing happened with the Native Americans and the Trail of Tears. It's one of the stages of ethnic cleansing. Now over a million Palestinians are displaced without food or water or shelter and they're sick been a sick and an Egypt not letting them in.
And for some reason you blame Hamas rather than the people doing the actual bombing, which boggles the mind. Why don't you blame the people blockading the Palestinians for decades? The one restricting their calories, disturbing their sleep with drones, taking their homes in the West Bank, arresting them without trial or charge, cutting off their electricity or trash, preventing them from accessing water or oil, restricting the roads they can drive out cost systems they can use, telling them to go one way then bombing those same escape routes? How is all that not the fault of the Israel, the ones actually doing those actions? The ones motivating the armed struggle through continual oppression, apartheid, and war crimes?
When it comes to human shields, the only independent verification back in 2014 is of Weapons (not rockets) hidden at a vacant school, situated btwn 2 UNRWA schools housing displaced people, by a Palestinian armed group. The Guardian journalists had encountered a couple individuals in 2014 too. Yet none of those come remotely close to making hospitals and schools bombing targets. Even if all the IDF claims were true, that does not exempt those hospitals and schools as protected under international law.
And let's just conveniently ignore how much the IDF uses human shields while we're at it
Delusional. They are using human shields right now and it has caused tens of thousands of needless deaths. That's what they wanted though.
Delusional with sources. Got it. You don't need to make things up about Hamas for people not to like them. They have done atrocities such as terrorism, certainly. Doesn't change the fact that all Palestinian people deserve emancipation.
They mean proximate shielding of course... Because if they don't adopt a made up redefinition of human shields then their arguemnt falls apart and they discover that it's them who was delusional.
People aren't human shields because they live in one of the most dense areas in the world. They're not human shields if a tunnel runs under their house but they can't even know about it or access it. The area isn't even unstable (but they will claim as their did in other posts that all these homes needed to be demolished anyway so the IDF is doing Gazans a favor because the 'ground is unstable'... Sadly for them that Hamas have actual engineers).
And in any case, using human shields doesn't allow the IDF to kill everyone... But how else will they carry out the genocide while having useful idiots repeat their claim and feel no guilt about it?
But they can't possibly admit that... Because then, their argument all falls apart and to their horror they will see the IDF in its true form... They will see that the number of "massacres" committed by Israel this war alone is so fucking horrendous. The guilt and shame will kick in.
It's like how cops shoot people with their hands up. Guess where those cops get their training.